Inconsistent results with TRT

[one way step]

I have the cutter and can cut them into 1/4s, from there it'll be tough to break those pieces down more. Will probably take some trial and error.

The HCG is an odd situation because I've been on it for years and this is the first time this has happened. I used to be on 2500iu doses, too.

So I have no energy and no brain function, but oddly my morning wood has been the best its been in literally years lol. Who knows what the hells going on with me at this point haha.

 

[Hypnotix]

I have the cutter and can cut them into 1/4s, from there it'll be tough to break those pieces down more. Will probably take some trial and error.

The HCG is an odd situation because I've been on it for years and this is the first time this has happened. I used to be on 2500iu doses, too.

So I have no energy and no brain function, but oddly my morning wood has been the best its been in literally years lol. Who knows what the hells going on with me at this point haha.

Won't be able to say exactly without BW. But great morning wood plus feeling like garbage is typically low E.

 

[one way step]

I skipped HCG and AI last week and just took solely testosterone. Felt OK but with a noticably weaker sex drive and less energy.

Today I took 500iu HCG and .25mg AI (I usually take this on Mondays and 200mg test cyp on Tues). I used a new vial of HCG.

I am still having the same problem of water retention in my chest. I also seem to have a lot less energy.

Not sure why this all of a sudden became a problem.

 

[one way step]

BW from last Wednesday. I took 500iu HCG and .25mg AI on Monday and 200mg test cyp on Tues.

Total Test: 920
Free Test: 28 (range 5-25)
E2: 26 (Range 0-54)

When I was feeling great, my e2 came in at 6. So I need to aim for a lower e2.

Would it make sense to still take AI on Monday and test cyp on Tuesday without any HCG? Or would it be better to dose AI after the test cyp?

 

[halfwit]

When you dose the AI isn't really huge given the half-life and frequency. Do what is most convenient for you.

 

[cybrsage]

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[one way step]

Okay so I got blood work. This was one day AFTER I had taken .25mg AI and 200mg test.

test: 970
E2: 27

So my e2 is still too high for me. I've got no sex drive and otherwise don't feel like I was in terms of energy, appetite, etc.

Should I took AI twice per week at .5mg per dose?

Thinking of taking .5mg AI on Monday, 200mg Test on Tuesday, and another .5mg AI on Thirsday.

I still don't get why I've been responding so poorly to HCG. 500iu will leave me with water retention, no energy and no sex drive. Never had that type of reaction before, especially pertaining to the water retention. I wonder if my HCG days are done?

 

[one way step]

Also my SHBG was 18.7 (range 17-66) and my Free Testosterone was 28.3 (range 4.8-25)

 

[Chiefy]

I don't see a reason to increase your Adex dose to 4x what you're taking now. Smaller increments would be a better way to go about getting dialed in.

It's important to have respect for a medication like Adex. It can quickly make things a lot worse if you're not careful.

 

[one way step]

Good point. I'll start off with .5mg per week.

Will probably do .5mg AI on Mondays and 200mg Test on Tuesday. Thinking about possibly bumping the Test to 250mg.

 

[Chiefy]

Good point. I'll start off with .5mg per week.

Will probably do .5mg AI on Mondays and 200mg Test on Tuesday. Thinking about possibly bumping the Test to 250mg.

Whats the point in increasing your dose of testosterone if the goal is to lower estradiol?

 

[one way step]

Extra boosts in energy and appetite

 

[Chiefy]

Extra boosts in energy and appetite

I thought you identified your estradiol as the cause of your symptoms?

 

[one way step]

I have. Perhaps I'm just over eager to feel super amazing

 

[Chiefy]

I have. Perhaps I'm just over eager to feel super amazing

Increasing your dose of testosterone will cause your estradiol to go up, not down. Seems counterproductive to me.

 

[one way step]

Okay so yesterday I took 200mg test and .5mg arimidex.

Felt okay yesterday and felt okay this morning and my sex drive wasn't bad. Got a few random erections on the way to work today.

But this afternoon I don't feel all too great. Not a lot of energy and a weaker sex drive.

Not sure if I'll be able to get BW this week. Should I try to take more arimidex later in the week? Or should I try .75mg next week?

 

[whoknew2015]

you are always going to retain a little more water on T, thats just how it works. Your E2 is way too low.

This is very common we see it ALL the time. Guys worry so much about getting gyno the slightest hint of any water retention at all they start eating adex like skittles and its a downward spiral from there.

I'm curious if your t levels like mine are down in the low 100's at 30 when I am taking T to replace to normal levels is Gyno really a concern then with no Estrogen Blockers? My last doctor seems to say no its not a problem and would not prescribe anything unless started to get tenderness or so on like there were signs of an issue. Is he right is Gyno really only issue is Sport levels or should it be something to look at regardless if its sport levels or not?

 

[one way step]

Took 220mg test and .5mg arimidex on Monday. Got bloods yesterday

test: 1162
E2: 32

How did my e2 go up when I took more arimidex?

 

[halfwit]

Took 220mg test and .5mg arimidex on Monday. Got bloods yesterday

test: 1162
E2: 32

How did my e2 go up when I took more arimidex?

A bigger spike in testosterone will produce more aromatase action to occur. That, and AIs don't instantly drop your estradiol. They PREVENT more from being converted. Your body has to metabolize out excess estradiol, which can take a week or more.

I still feel like you're chasing the wrong culprit here. Dropping your estradiol to almost zero can have long-term health risks like osteoporosis. Have you ever checked prolactin?

 

[one way step]

Yes. I've checked everything that can be checked and the key is definitely the e2. If I get it in between 5-10 I feel amazing. Guess that's just my body.

What would be an appropriate dosing regime to obtain this? Should I take some AI now to get it down? Should I take it the day before I take test cyp?