Intermediate Cycle with Dianbol/Anadrol/Sustanon/Deca Stack

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bloeki

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Hi Guys,

I'm waiting for my order to come in for a nice intermediate Cycle I'm planning to do. This is what the cycle is going to look like:

wk1 - 6 Dianabol 50mg e/d
wk1 - 6 Anadrol 50mg e/d
wk1 - 13 Sustanon350 500mg week
wk2 - 13 Deca300 300mg week

wk1 - 6 arimidex 1mg e/d
wk14 - 16 hcg 1000iu/week
wk17 - 19 nolvadex (40/40/20)
wk17 - 19 clomid (100/100/50)

I'll ad some cycle-support supplements as wel as multi-vitamins and fish-oil during the cycle. I have also a PCT-extreme supplement bottle in addition.
Of course going to eat every 2 hour and build up the calories to get some huge gains together with daily strength training and at least 4 times a week 1 hour of cardio to keep the cardiovascular up..

So I just curious what you (experienced) guys think of this cycle?

my stats:

height: 5'5" (165cm)
weight: 159 lbs (72kg)
age: 37

Cycle history:
1st cycle: dbol only 6 weeks
2nd cycle: dbol/andropen/deca/winny stack 12 weeks
3rd 'cycle': test-suspension only (10 weeks)

I've done competition and training for at least 30 years of judo, grappling, karate, kickboxing, mma and since my competetition days are over for at least 10 years now I focuesd more on getting bigger and stronger. Not for competition or whatsoever, just because I like to be.
 
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I just read this again. A dbol only cycle. Classic rookie mistake! The one that got me real good was the ten week test suspension cycle! Wtf is that? How do you even run that for a cycle? Did you pin like 4 times a day? Don't really understand why you would stack dbol with winny on cycle #2. The test and deca I get. At your age you can't afford to misuse gear like this. Nobody can! Seriously read that link provided. You need educated on a lot. Not picking on you, just stressing the importance of it...
 
Ok. Ok.. I admit and know that my 'cycle experience' is very bad and just did only wrong things. But for this one I did a lot of research. Why would you consider this as a poor planned cycle?
 
bloeki said:
Ok. Ok.. I admit and know that my 'cycle experience' is very bad and just did only wrong things. But for this one I did a lot of research. Why would you consider this as a poor planned cycle?
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1. You're running two orals at the same time for six weeks. My liver has a beard from all the things I've done to it over the years, and I can't say I'd do that.

2. 1mg of adex for 6 weeks ED. You will have trouble getting out of bed due to having zero estradiol (unless you're like 30% body fat), not to mention train hard in the gym. It's even worse that you would crush it, then completely stop the use of an AI for the remainder. Rebound is going to kick your ass, and if you're really unlucky - sprout some little C cups in the process.

3. HCG at the end is like intentionally running out of gas, then spending money on fixing your fuel injectors. Running it from day one at 500iu/wk will keep that "gas" in the tank, helping recovery.

4. Starting deca on week two and running it for 11 weeks isn't ideal. Start it day one, and run the test (sust) two weeks longer. That's more of a therapeutic dose of deca imo, but I'm about twice your weight, so it might be sufficient. You will find your Johnson taking a one way trip to floppy town too, as estradiol with a 19-nor is bad juju. You need to not only keep estradiol in check, but having a dopamine agonist on hand is like having pecker insurance.

5. The goal of PCT is to help normalize your hormones. 3 weeks isn't ideally long enough, although the doses look okay. Have you ever pulled a blood test to see where you sit naturally? Especially given the adventures you've been on to this point? It would suck to spend all that money and hard work, only to see it dry up because you had low T to begin with.

I am also curious how you cycled suspension. It has a 4hr half-life, so multiple pins every day would be necessary. That would make it crazy expensive and a ridiculous juggling game as hormone spikes would be all over the place. Heck, even the sustanon should be pinned EOD due to the propionate ester in it.

That's a quick summary of what I see wrong here. I'd give that sticky some serious reading as these are basics that will need to be covered long before an intermediate cycle of any type is attempted.

My .02c :)
 
Thank you 'halfwit' for the response. I'm on my mobile right now and i will give a reaction later. But for the suspension thing, I ran eql test suspension 1 ml ed. For 10 weeks. Considering the 'results' and feeling during the weeks, it was heavily underdosed or fake. came from Venezuela, made in the usa.
 
You weren't using the suspension correctly. Read the steroid profiles at the top. I never heard anybody say they've ran a cycle of test suspension. For good reason. Then u say it was underdosed! One day your going to laugh about this...
 
OP ,, after you put together and did 3 terrible cycles,, you took all that experience and put together an equally terrible fourth cycle..

Halfwhit explained much of what you need to know.. Read his post a few times, read the stickies, and understand why

Here's a modification to your cycle

Dbol 50mg daily weeks 1-6
Sustanon - 500 mg a week - pinned m/w/f. Weeks 1-14
Deca - 400 mg a week - week 1-12
AI - .25 mg eod week 1-17... Adjust dosage if need be dependent on mid cycle blood work and e2 levels
Hcg - 500 iu a week,, duration of cycle up to start of pct
Pct three weeks post last pin


Note : and being your past cycles were so F'd up,, you should def go get blood work done BEFORE starting this cycle and see where you stand , and see if you already jacked yourself up
 
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bloeki said:
Thank you 'halfwit' for the response. I'm on my mobile right now and i will give a reaction later. But for the suspension thing, I ran eql test suspension 1 ml ed. For 10 weeks. Considering the 'results' and feeling during the weeks, it was heavily underdosed or fake. came from Venezuela, made in the usa.
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Hard to say, but assuming 50mg/mL (common suspension concentration) ED, you're getting a total of 350mg/wk - but without an ester to keep it there. This means that you'd get a HUGE spike of test around an hour after injecting, then it would die down to zero before the next. This is while your natural production is shut down.

Stick around, we'll get you sorted out. ;)
 
Roush said:
OP ,, after you put together and did 3 terrible cycles,, you took all that experience and put together an equally terrible fourth cycle..

Halfwhit explained much of what you need to know.. Read his post a few times, read the stickies, and understand why

Here's a modification to your cycle

Dbol 50mg daily weeks 1-6
Sustanon - 500 mg a week - pinned m/w/f. Weeks 1-14
Deca - 400 mg a week - week 1-12
AI - .25 mg eod week 1-17... Adjust dosage if need be dependent on mid cycle blood work and e2 levels
Hcg - 500 iu a week,, duration of cycle up to start of pct
Pct three weeks post last pin


Note : and being your past cycles were so F'd up,, you should def go get blood work done BEFORE starting this cycle and see where you stand , and see if you already jacked yourself up
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Ok, thanks for the mod. I'm going to read all the sugesstions, and learn to understand. And I was really thinking I figured it all out this time. Lol. I'm happy that I didn't receive my gear yet.
 
What do you (experienced) guys think of this article:***********/r/steroids/comments/2k2i2q/the_great_oral_debate_anadrol_vs_dianabol_by/
Addressing the stack of dbol and drol...
 
Forget everything you have done in the past and stop thinking about this cycle you have in you thoughts. IT IS A VERY BAD. It makes NO sense at all and it will probably Fvck you up.

As you where told about your AI thoughts, BAD, you WILL crash you E2 and you will just then ruin any cycle you are doing. It is unhealthy to have you Estrogen too low.
Low Estrogen Side Effects:
- Osteoporosis (weakened bones) ; (long-term low levels)
- Poor sex drive
- Fatigue
- Lethargy
- Skin quality diminishes
- Depression
- Poor sense of wellbeing & poor quality of life
So you see as you are worried about high Estrogen, well look at the other spectrum. You need to understand Estrogen and Prolactin and your body. Learn more about the steroid profiles. Suspension, what? Bad to it's profile

These guys have covered a lot of your wrong plans and that you need to do more research so I don't need to be redundant but iterate to you they are correct. All these post are important and valuable for you to take heed. Now start reading and Good Luck
 
bloeki said:
What do you (experienced) guys think of this article:***********/r/steroids/comments/2k2i2q/the_great_oral_debate_anadrol_vs_dianabol_by/
Addressing the stack of dbol and drol...
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FORGET this you are not ready for such a stack. Forget the video

PS: I'm sorry but not to bash you, but really with your first three cycles being so bad, you don't seem to have studied much to come up with this plan so PLEASE read more and stop these cycles for now. Good luck
 
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bloeki said:
Ok. Ok.. I admit and know that my 'cycle experience' is very bad and just did only wrong things. But for this one I did a lot of research. Why would you consider this as a poor planned cycle?
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Run an AI like dex the whole time. and at lower dose, maybe slightly higher during dbol, but try out 0.25-0.5mg eod dex wk1-PCT
drop one of the orals.
start test and deca at same time, maybe run test a lil longer, week ro two, but since its sust it will be slow to clear anyways so not a big concern to stop at near same time IMO.

I like hcg 500iu 2x a week the last few weeks leading up to, but not into PCT, kinda like you have.
maybe make PCT 4 -5 weeks in total not 3?

just some tips! : )
 
Whow guys, this is really some big bashing and punching but all for a good cause. I'm glad I found this forum and also about your honest reactions. Already I'm reading a lot and the things you guys gave me. It will be still like 20 days before my packages arrives so I'll have it figured out by then thanks to you guys.
For now this is the way indeed I'll be going:
- first bloodwork (if possible here)
- AI at .25 eod until wk1-PCT (btw, the reason I added AI in the first plavce is because of the combination dianbol/anadrol, I read on several places that it reduces the water bloat...)
- test and deca I'll start together and end the deca 2 wks earlier then the sustanon
- hcg 500iu 2x a week during last few weeks upto PCT
- PCT 4 weeks (nolva 40/40/20/20)1st day nolva 60. (clomid 100/100/50/50) 1st day clomid 250.

Since I dropped the anadrol Is it neccesary to still use the AI? Of course you mention it in the adive so I guess yes, but I can find a lot of places they say no need for an AI. Sorry for my questions guys. But there are so many different opinions everywehere on the net and even the BIG guys I know in real life have all different opinions. I have this huge BodyBuilder here in the Netherlands Antilles that's on roids all year long without even doing any kind of PCT(!!) and he still seems to be ok.. unbelievable.. but ok. Thanks in advance for your reactions.
 
bloeki said:
Whow guys, this is really some big bashing and punching but all for a good cause. I'm glad I found this forum and also about your honest reactions. Already I'm reading a lot and the things you guys gave me. It will be still like 20 days before my packages arrives so I'll have it figured out by then thanks to you guys.
For now this is the way indeed I'll be going:
- first bloodwork (if possible here)
- AI at .25 eod until wk1-PCT (btw, the reason I added AI in the first plavce is because of the combination dianbol/anadrol, I read on several places that it reduces the water bloat...)
- test and deca I'll start together and end the deca 2 wks earlier then the sustanon
- hcg 500iu 2x a week during last few weeks upto PCT
- PCT 4 weeks (nolva 40/40/20/20)1st day nolva 60. (clomid 100/100/50/50) 1st day clomid 250.

Since I dropped the anadrol Is it neccesary to still use the AI? Of course you mention it in the adive so I guess yes, but I can find a lot of places they say no need for an AI. Sorry for my questions guys. But there are so many different opinions everywehere on the net and even the BIG guys I know in real life have all different opinions. I have this huge BodyBuilder here in the Netherlands Antilles that's on roids all year long without even doing any kind of PCT(!!) and he still seems to be ok.. unbelievable.. but ok. Thanks in advance for your reactions.
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Guys can "appear" to be doing ok on the outside . . But in fact if they did blood work they would see that they are NOT ok even though they feel ok.. The big guy may just be big cause he has great genetics, not because he knows how to run a proper cycle ..

Also , test is the base of any and every cycle, test converts to estrogen, high estrogen is BAD,, therefore an AI is needed to be ran on every cycle
 
Ok, I don't know if I should post this in another thread or just here. I''l find out soon enough I guess :)

So listen guys, I have this 'big friend' that just 'gave me' today the following:

- tren-mix, BD tri-trenabol 150 (1vial 10ml)
- test-mix, BD andropen 275 (1vial 10 ml)
- nolvadex 20mg (30tabs)
- hcg 3x 1500iu (1ml amps)

Now he told me I should start with this items and put in a cycle before I start the other one that I'll receive in about 20 days. His advice to me:

wk 1 - 5 /andropen 275mg twice a week
wk 1 - 5 /tri-tren 150 twice a week
wk 1 - 5 /hcg 500 a week
wk 6 - 7 /nolva 20/40

Now before I jump in and believe people who look big and I think they should be right.. I want your opinion. I mean I f*cked up before I just don't want to do it again the wrong way. Well, any comments helpful. Thanks.
 
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