Is 22 too young for dbol?

[tury694]

These oral cycle posts are an every day thing. It's a waste of time to post the same thing every day. Why don't you do your own research about the negatives of oral cycles? I think its laughable when somebody that has no idea posts about dbol cycles and how everybody did it back in the day. I'm sure Arnold is on trt now because of his choices in life. Don't go preaching about things you know very little about bud. Your no different then the last kid posting about a dbol cycle. You need educated...

I repped the op before reading that moronic rant that he went on. These guys are so fucking moronic if they think any real bodybuilder was running dbol only. They fail to see logic even when it is hitting them in the fucking face.

 

[mvg17]

Ok so you guys are saying get E or C..i wanted to go on dbol for 8 weeks (40-50mg ed) plus nolva plus pct with nolva etc, because even though its hepatotoxic, my liver would most likely be ok as long as i don't do combined toxicity which is using more than one hepatotoxic drug at once which then would require me to monitor my liver closely. Hence i never had and don't drink anyways there is nothing else that is toxic. And about testosterone, yes i know males need it etc lol, but never really thought deeply about it which is good that i came here. So why do i need to supplement with test? Isn't dbol enough on it own (its the exam season i have not looked deeply into it please write a brief explanation ) And i was/am really hesitant about injecting, don't know how, and afraid of making mistakes with it, and would not want to inject anywhere else than gluts where it can be seen cause i only want to do 1 or max 2 cycles. And wouldnt nolva be enough on its own? and wouldnt test+dbol be worse for me as in side effects?

 

[Roush]

Dbol is not testosterone - it's chemical structure is similar- your body will stop producing testosterone all together when taking Dbol.. Therefore you will have NO test in your body.. Again Dbol isn't test,, that's why you need to add test along side Dbol or you'll be walking around for months with no test in your body (like a little girl... You don't want that)

 

[tury694]

Ok so you guys are saying get E or C..i wanted to go on dbol for 8 weeks (40-50mg ed) plus nolva plus pct with nolva etc, because even though its hepatotoxic, my liver would most likely be ok as long as i don't do combined toxicity which is using more than one hepatotoxic drug at once which then would require me to monitor my liver closely. Hence i never had and don't drink anyways there is nothing else that is toxic. And about testosterone, yes i know males need it etc lol, but never really thought deeply about it which is good that i came here. So why do i need to supplement with test? Isn't dbol enough on it own (its the exam season i have not looked deeply into it please write a brief explanation ) And i was/am really hesitant about injecting, don't know how, and afraid of making mistakes with it, and would not want to inject anywhere else than gluts where it can be seen cause i only want to do 1 or max 2 cycles. And wouldnt nolva be enough on its own?

Dbol is not testosterone. It can not replace testosterone to perform the bodily functions that test performs. C'mon dude this is crossing into the realm of common sense, and the fact that a med student needs to hear this is disturbing. You can't really be a med student and not understand the difference between a serm and an aromatase inhibitor. If you do not want to inject or are afraid of injecting then find a new hobby that does not involve steroids.

 

[Roush]

As for being worried about injecting-- don't worry injecting gear is the easy part,, dieting and training like a beast is the hard part

 

[mvg17]

As for being worried about injecting-- don't worry injecting gear is the easy part,, dieting and training like a beast is the hard part

dieting and training is not hard for me as its the only thing that i absolutely LOVE to do. injecting......yeah idk y it scares me, maybe cause i never did it to myself or someone taking notice of it... is it possible to only do it on the gluts?

 

[mvg17]

Dbol is not testosterone. It can not replace testosterone to perform the bodily functions that test performs. C'mon dude this is crossing into the realm of common sense, and the fact that a med student needs to hear this is disturbing. You can't really be a med student and not understand the difference between a serm and an aromatase inhibitor. If you do not want to inject or are afraid of injecting then find a new hobby that does not involve steroids.

yes i know their differences and yes ofc i know testosterone part but i read so many ORAL ONLY is ok and supported testimonials that i was convinced

 

[tbonexl]

All u gotta do is click on this link http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html and read. No need to ask anymore questions till you do...

 

[Roush]

If you use a long ester you may only need to pin once a week and so only glutes is fine..

It's when you get to running multiple compounds and stacks and having to pin yourself nearly every day like me that you have to find more pin sites.. Personally though I prefer pinning my delts and quads over pinning glutes

 

[Roush]

yes i know their differences and yes ofc i know testosterone part but i read so many ORAL ONLY is ok and supported testimonials that i was convinced

Guys that run and promote oral only cycles are usually meat heads that lift for ego and run cycles and take Dbol pills like tic tacs and always just want to stay swole,, they don't really care about their overall health and well being.
They are in this for looks and ego only, not for health and fitness.. I'd ignore their vain and stupid advice

 

[mvg17]

Guys that run and promote oral only cycles are usually meat heads that lift for ego and run cycles and take Dbol pills like tic tacs and always just want to stay swole,, they don't really care about their overall health and well being.
They are in this for looks and ego only, not for health and fitness.. I'd ignore their vain and stupid advice

hmm lets say i agree with you peoples advice, test e + dbol+ nolva.... what would be the main difference in terms of results, would i be able to retain more or what please dont flame at me for asking this

 

[ADenver]

hmm lets say i agree with you peoples advice, test e + dbol+ nolva.... what would be the main difference in terms of results, would i be able to retain more or what please dont flame at me for asking this

Not going to flame, but these are all questions you need to be able to answer yourself before jumping in.

 

[cybrsage]

Thank you for calling a spade and spade on this supposed (bullshit) "rule" that has invaded the net over the last 10 years. I usually have no problem when guys suggest that d-bol be used with Test...just as I usually have no problem when guys suggest that test be used with tren. But...when I hear people saying..."You must use Test with it" or..."You can't" use D-bol alone or..."You won't make any gains" or..."That is a waste of time", etc, we need to revert back to the days when advice was given, accompanied by a sound explanation for why such advice was given. At this point, anytime someon mentions running a d-bol only cycle, we are gauranteed to see at least a half-dozen people shout out "It can't be done", while offering no logical argument against it.

Enough of this bullshit rule that was never a rule to begin with. the fact is that back in Arnols's day...in the 80's...and even into the 90's, D-bol only cycles were common...and guys coukld make good gains off of them, especially if they were relatively new to AAS. For some reason, people have no problem running an OTC product like Methadrol alone (and often making killer gains with no other additional steroids), but when it comes to d-bol...ohh shit....that can't be done...impossible...stay away...there is nothing good to be had by going down that road. Never are we offered ANY type of reasonable explanation why it is completely fine ro run a cycle of methadrol, but considerd completely absurd to run a cyle of D-bol. This reason for this is because there is no good reason for approving one and condemning the other.

To be fair, having never heard of Methadrol I did a Bing search for it - and one of the hits lead to Steroidology from 2011. Juiced-Porkchop posted that he would never recommend it without also using Test.

I do agree that people should say WHY it things should not be run without test - simply saying "if you are a girl you can do it" implies it is because they do not need test like men do, but it is not enough IMO. The reason why is that things like these cause the body to stop producing its own natural test. Test is needed for many things other than growing muscles. When the body is without it, bad things can happen. On top of it, every time you shut down the body's natural test production there is a chance it will never restart. For someone under 25, they are making the most test they will ever make in their lives - levels that many people strive to hit later on in life. Why turn off such powerful - and free - goodness? Proper diet and exercise, while producing huge natural Test levels, will allow people to bulk up fast. Once you get to the point in life where test levels start to drop, THEN starting to add AAS can be recommended.

Here is a basic math example. Say you are producing the equivalent of 400mg of test a week naturally. You take some AAS and it shuts down the body's natural production. To get to the level you were before you took the other AAS, you need to ass 400mg of test a week. Remember this is to ONLY get to where you STARTED at. Whatever other AAS you are taking can now be in addition to your normal test level. If you do not add the Test, the other AAS has to start from around the Zero point and work up from there...maybe not even getting past where you started at 100% naturally. But once you get older and the body starts making far less Test, say 200mg a week, you can take the other AAS and a scant 100mg of Test and be where you started at naturally - but if you take 400mg instead, you are above natural Test level AND have the other AAS on top of it - giving lots of goodness.

So basically - why mess with a good thing (high natural test levels) when diet is not in line yet?

 

[cybrsage]

hmm lets say i agree with you peoples advice, test e + dbol+ nolva.... what would be the main difference in terms of results, would i be able to retain more or what please dont flame at me for asking this

I would save the money and hire 3J instead. He costs less than a good cycle will cost and you will KNOW your diet is on point. Then when you do buy your cycle, you will get the most out of it you possible can. It is really the best way to go.

 

[Gbrad]

hmm lets say i agree with you peoples advice, test e + dbol+ nolva.... what would be the main difference in terms of results, would i be able to retain more or what please dont flame at me for asking this

I think what you are missing and what I seem to be understanding here is your desire to go off of internet suggestions without doing very much research of your own. It doesn't take too much time to gain a rudimentary understanding of how test derivatives will shut down your test production. Why don't you invest more time learning for yourself before asking (albeit you are asking solid folks for advice) for internet advice from strangers? The internet advice will mean more to you when you have a better foundation of knowledge on hormones.

Why run multiple compounds when you don't even know what to expect from supra physiological levels of test? You don't know how much AI to run etc. Doesn't make sense. Slow down and do things right. Otherwise you will end up making mistakes that others here, like me, are cautioning you to avoid. I mean think about it...what motive do the people here have to tell you to run test only first? You think we are keeping the "real way to grow" a secret or holding out on you? Seriously I don't understand. At least you seem to have a little more sense than the other daily oral only threads.

 

[Roush]

OP was supposedly able to bulk up to 200 lbs then cut down to 5.5 % BF at 176 lbs, all natural .. If this is true then I'm guessing he has his diet fairly well dialed in

 

[tbonexl]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

 

[halfwit]

Pics of 5.5% bf please.

You're too damn young OP. You know this, we know this, and there isn't any justification for pushing this. I really get irritated when kids born in the 90's act like they know what the AAS scene was like from the 70's-90's; if you ever find a Mr O's cycle log indicating what they took (not a second or third party account), I'll eat my words and never bash oral-only cycles again.

Hire 3J, get your training and diet honed in, take creatine with fish oil and a good multivitamin - and you're golden. Read everything you can, and feel free to participate here. By the time you're 24 or 25, you'll be ready.

 

[49ER]

Nope not old enough but in the bright side your old enough to drink

 

[tury694]

Pics of 5.5% bf please.

You're too damn young OP. You know this, we know this, and there isn't any justification for pushing this. I really get irritated when kids born in the 90's act like they know what the AAS scene was like from the 70's-90's; if you ever find a Mr O's cycle log indicating what they took (not a second or third party account), I'll eat my words and never bash oral-only cycles again.

Hire 3J, get your training and diet honed in, take creatine with fish oil and a good multivitamin - and you're golden. Read everything you can, and feel free to participate here. By the time you're 24 or 25, you'll be ready.

No one realizes how low 5% really is. I don't think it is impossible for op to be that low but I doubt it. Shit lowest bf% person I know is around 6% and the vascularity and definition is fucking creepy, kind of gross to me actually. I've had idiots tell me they are at 2% because some little machine told them that. The same stupid machine tells me 13 or 15% but bullshit I am around 20% I want to see pics too OP. If it is true I would give this dude major props and bite my tongue.