is it still bad if my free test is normal but total is low?

[weavy88]

More specifically, does bound testosterone have any effect whatsoever? If two people had the same free test levels, but one of them had really low total and the other really high total, would they notice any difference? thanks,.

 

[tury694]

More specifically, does bound testosterone have any effect whatsoever? If two people had the same free test levels, but one of them had really low total and the other really high total, would they notice any difference? thanks,.

It is not good. How low is it?

 

[weavy88]

283. im doing another restart

 

[tury694]

283. im doing another restart

What do you mean restart?

 

[weavy88]

hpta restart. clomid+nolva. has always worked in the past

 

[weavy88]

if not then it looks like trt for me (don't like kids anyway)

 

[PrinceDianabol]

More specifically, does bound testosterone have any effect whatsoever? If two people had the same free test levels, but one of them had really low total and the other really high total, would they notice any difference? thanks,.

I would go post this in the TRT forum man.. or get Mega to chime in. I was under the understanding that free T was far more important, but I'm not really a TRT guy so... I can tell you 283ng/dl is fucking low, and definitely hypo. You should get advice from the guys over there...

Will also help if you can tell them what your free T, LH, FSH are as well... as this can help them best decide what type of restart will work best for you (primary vs secondary.)

 

[tury694]

if not then it looks like trt for me (don't like kids anyway)

Try to pct it one more time before going on trt dude. How old are you anyways?

 

[Roush]

High free testosterone means you have test not binding to proteins SHBG, album etc..

Something is going on and you'd need to post blood work up if you can

 

[Megatron28]

283. im doing another restart

We need to see more comprehensive blood work. But generally we just look at Total Testosterone as it is a pretty good indicator for diagnosing hypogonadism. In borderline cases one has to look at Free T and/or Bio-Available. The other thing to keep in mind is that Free T is often just a calculation rather than a measurement.

Anyway, 283ng/dl is hypogonadal. Get more blood work. Run TT again. LH, FSH, Estradiol, TSH, Prolactin, Vitamin D, Lipids Profile, CBC, Meta-bolic Profile.

Also tell us about your cycle and PCT. Age? Height? Weight? Body Fat %? Any other medications? Any medical conditions?

 

[weavy88]

hey guys, I definitely know that my lh/fsh are fine. Usually hover in the 4-6 range. I just got all my thyroid hormones checked and they are in range. prolactin is normal. e2 normal, vitamin d normal. hell, even my dht was normal (pretty much thought of everything lol). 26 yo, 5 foot 10 weight 210 lbs estimated bf% 15%.

 

[weavy88]

it seems like my natty test levels continue to drop bit by bit after every cycle I will say this though, if i can successfullyrecover my test levels back to around 500 ng/dl, then I will prolly never touch a steroid again.

 

[Roush]

it seems like my natty test levels continue to drop bit by bit after every cycle I will say this though, if i can successfullyrecover my test levels back to around 500 ng/dl, then I will prolly never touch a steroid again.

Are you using hcg the duration of your cycles?

 

[weavy88]

yes sir, 1000 iu/week. Towards the end, i upped it to 1000 iu/eod for 1 week. then ceased its use and went on clomid. Only problem was, the clomid i had was underdosed. Now im on some good shit

 

[Megatron28]

hey guys, I definitely know that my lh/fsh are fine. Usually hover in the 4-6 range. I just got all my thyroid hormones checked and they are in range. prolactin is normal. e2 normal, vitamin d normal. hell, even my dht was normal (pretty much thought of everything lol). 26 yo, 5 foot 10 weight 210 lbs estimated bf% 15%.

Post the numbers and reference ranges up. Let's see what is going on. Sometimes normal isn't normal.

 

[weavy88]

Post the numbers and reference ranges up. Let's see what is going on. Sometimes normal isn't normal.

TSH+Free T4
TSH 1.050 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL 01
T4,Free(Direct) 1.52 0.82-1.77 ng/dL 01
Testosterone, Free/Tot Equilib
Testosterone, Serum 284 LOW 348-1197 ng/dL 01
Comment: Comment 01
Adult male reference interval is based on a population of lean males
up to 40 years old.
Testosterone,Free 7.75 5.00-21.00 ng/dL 01
% Free Testosterone 2.73 1.50-4.20 % 01

Dihydrotestosterone
Dihydrotestosterone 43 ng/dL 02.....Reference Range: Adult Male: 30 - 85

Prolactin
Prolactin 5.7 4.0-15.2 ng/mL 01
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 3.0 2.0-4.4 pg/mL 01



No fsh/lh on this test, but the last one i got (around 1 month ago) showed slightly lower than my normal values (which hover around 4-5). I will be getting another test 3 weeks from tomorrow after starting my clomid/nolva

 

[Megatron28]

TSH+Free T4
TSH 1.050 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL 01
T4,Free(Direct) 1.52 0.82-1.77 ng/dL 01
Testosterone, Free/Tot Equilib
Testosterone, Serum 284 LOW 348-1197 ng/dL 01
Comment: Comment 01
Adult male reference interval is based on a population of lean males
up to 40 years old.
Testosterone,Free 7.75 5.00-21.00 ng/dL 01
% Free Testosterone 2.73 1.50-4.20 % 01

Dihydrotestosterone
Dihydrotestosterone 43 ng/dL 02.....Reference Range: Adult Male: 30 - 85

Prolactin
Prolactin 5.7 4.0-15.2 ng/mL 01
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 3.0 2.0-4.4 pg/mL 01



No fsh/lh on this test, but the last one i got (around 1 month ago) showed slightly lower than my normal values (which hover around 4-5). I will be getting another test 3 weeks from tomorrow after starting my clomid/nolva

What was your TT at when you had LH and FSH at 4.5? And how long had it been since your PCT had ended?

 

[weavy88]

What was your TT at when you had LH and FSH at 4.5? And how long had it been since your PCT had ended?

tt was around 450-500 on average. pct ended 8 weeks ago. Honestly, i think i have a reason for why it is low, it's just reaaaally stupid. I injected 100mg/test prop + 100mg/mast prop about 5 weeks after pct ended to see if it would increase my libido. When i got this test taken, it had been about 3 weeks since that inject.

 

[weavy88]

and if its any help, my balls are as big and hang as low as they ever did, so I would be reluctant to jump to primary hypo.

 

[Megatron28]

tt was around 450-500 on average. pct ended 8 weeks ago. Honestly, i think i have a reason for why it is low, it's just reaaaally stupid. I injected 100mg/test prop + 100mg/mast prop about 5 weeks after pct ended to see if it would increase my libido. When i got this test taken, it had been about 3 weeks since that inject.

Sounds like you are doing everything possible to mess up your Natty hormones and screw up your blood work results. Toss your results out the window. You probably just need to run a good PCT protocol, stop taking exogenous AAS, and be patient. Wait 8 weeks after PCT before checking blood work. And make sure you get complete blood work to get a full picture.

Basically, stop fucking around with your hormones.