Is Slin Really That Great???????

rpwhit777

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I have been actively researching this whole slin thing, and I grasp the whole idea of how slin can benefit the user. The only thing that I dont understand is I have run across some mixed reviews. Some seem to swear by it saying they are able to pack on some serious muscle, and retain gains, while another group says it offers little if nothing at all???????????? What's the overall concencus here from some of the bros?? Do you love it or hate it?????????
 
I love it and got great results. The only time I got fat gain is when I over shot my calorie intake post work out. And then it was only out of nescessity because I had taken to much slin as a experiment and had to have alot of carbs to stay out of hypo.

I've done slin alone, slin on a ckd, and slin with phs' love all three experiences. I look foward to trying slin with test/tren soon.

Natty did you do the 10gr/IU? If so that is why the fat came :)
 
I can def. see it as a powerfiul tool for mass .... but it can add fat very quick ... so I didn't like it that much.

But it has it's place
 
The 10gr/Iu is still standard but I'm fighting to change it :)

Insulin will store enough glucose/protein to fill the muscles of the body and the liver after that the liver converts the remaining calories to fat and stores them in fatty tissue. So the ideal amount of carbs would be equal to the potential for storage NOT any magic ratio of carbs/IU. I've gone as high as 100IU of insulin and needed around 60g of carbs every 30 minutes to stay out of hypo. I gained fat doing this because I was WAY over what my body needed energy wise. However at 15-20 IU I've used a 50gr carb 50gr protien shake then a similiar meal in an hour and another in 1.5-2 hours and didn't gain fat.
I am an advocate of using as few carbs as possible to stay out of hypo plus 10-15 grams.
 
Fat on insulin comes from eating to much just like getting fat with out insulin. I think a large reason so many people have trouble getting fat with insulin is they just think they can cram as many carbs and protien as there belly can handle while on it, which is FAR from the truth.
 
A lil snippet of an article on insulin I am working on. I've posted it before I think not sure though.

Will Insulin make me fat if I eat fat?
The simple answer is no. Insulin will make you fat if you eat too many calories for you body’s needs while it is active. Just like eating more calories than you need make you fat.

Over and over in insulin threads this motto is stated, “If you eat fat after you inject slin then it will automatically store it as fat.” That is foolishness. First a little about how insulin acts in the body.

Insulin and Lipid Metabolism
The metabolic pathways for utilization of fats and carbohydrates are deeply and intricately intertwined. Considering insulin's profound effects on carbohydrate metabolism, it stands to reason that insulin also has important effects on lipid metabolism. Notable effects of insulin on lipid metabolism include the following:
* Insulin promotes synthesis of fatty acids in the liver. As discussed above, insulin is stimulatory to synthesis of glycogen in the liver. However, as glycogen accumulates to high levels (roughly 5% of liver mass), further synthesis is strongly suppressed.
When the liver is saturated with glycogen, any additional glucose taken up by hepatocytes is shunted into pathways leading to synthesis of fatty acids, which are exported from the liver as lipoproteins. The lipoproteins are ripped apart in the circulation, providing free fatty acids for use in other tissues, including adipocytes, which use them to synthesize triglyceride.
* Insulin inhibits breakdown of fat in adipose tissue by inhibiting the intracellular lipase that hydrolyzes triglycerides to release fatty acids.
Insulin facilitates entry of glucose into adipocytes, and within those cells, glucose can be used to synthesize glycerol. This glycerol, along with the fatty acids delivered from the liver, are used to synthesize triglyceride within the adipocyte. By these mechanisms, insulin is involved in further accumulation of triglyceride in fat cells.

We can see here the description of insulin as a shuttling agent that will just shove whatever you give it in a similar tissue type is wrong. Insulin motivates the use of nutrients available to the body. When insulin begins decreasing the levels of glucose in the blood it shuttles them to muscle tissue, the brain and the liver. When the muscles and brain are saturated the liver begins storing glucose. This is the stage that causes problems. When the liver becomes saturated with glucose (roughly 5% of its weight) it will begin shuttling the excess glucose into adipose tissue. This is where fat storage begins.

So how do we avoid getting fat from insulin?
It is easy, know your body. This is a perquisite for using insulin or Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in the first place. We want to give our body the amount of energy it needs to recover. And we want to be sure to not give it to much or it will begin making fat very efficiently. What does your body need after a work out? This formula has been tried both scientifically and in gyms around the world.

Carbohydrates: 0.8-1.0 g/kg of bodyweight
Protein: 0.4-0.6 g/kg of bodyweight

This is an ideal formula to drink 10-15 minutes after injecting insulin. Within an hour of the shot you should have a more solid meal. I suggest going a bit above this perhaps to 1.2 g/kg for carbs and .8-.9 g/kg for protein since insulin will enable the body to store more glucose. If this works for you great, if you still feel hypo or think you work out hard enough to justify more than increase it slowly and see how your body reacts.
 
very interesting elijah :) you should write up a small article on this, i would defineately sticky it as it sounds very promising for those of us who become a whale on slin lol.
 
elijah_123 said:
Fat on insulin comes from eating to much just like getting fat with out insulin. I think a large reason so many people have trouble getting fat with insulin is they just think they can cram as many carbs and protien as there belly can handle while on it, which is FAR from the truth.

Couldn't agree with you more ... it's always all about diet. But Insulin does have serious harmful potentional ..... so I think any newbie users should start with the 10gr. carbs/ iu slin and go from there.

But yea... thats prolly alot more that you can get by with.
 
I use it with my standard post workout carb/protien (60gcarb/50g protien/10iu's of log) shake amonts, just using it more effectively. No fat gain. I hold about 8 more lbs on slin, some of it sticks each time. Dollar for dollar it rocks, and the risks are low if not stupid.
 
What about the risks of developing hypoglycemia or a type of diabetes by taking slin?? By the way thanks fellas for the help on this post so far....I really appreciate the info.........
 
elijah_123 said:
Thanks Easto :) glad to finally be contributing to the boards instead of just taking.

It's great that you are finally pulling your own weight around here. GEEZ!!! :40oz: :beertoast
 
Dang right its about time I pulled my weight!

Isn't that the goal of the boards educate people so they can help others?

Developing hypoglycemia is a very real danger of insulin hence ALWAYS having simple carbs handy.

Diabetes is more a urban legend than anything. I know of NO verified cases of using insulin and devoloping diabetes. Sure this guys brother's dog's hair cutter's assisstant knew a guy at the gym who got diabetes from buying insulin, he never used it but buying it was enough to give him diabetes! He had a great diet too, he would drink soda all day and eat pancakes, icecream and skittles for his meals but it was all the insulins fault!
:iwstupid:
See it is dangerous stay far far away from it.
 
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Elijah I didnt know you were a comedian too........LOL.........Bro's thanks for all the info I am much clearer on some things now........
 
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