Is Slin Really That Great???????

[Eze]

Dang right its about time I pulled my weight!

Isn't that the goal of the boards educate people so they can help others?

Developing hypoglycemia is a very real danger of insulin hence ALWAYS having simple carbs handy.

Diabetes is more a urban legend than anything. I know of NO verified cases of using insulin and devoloping diabetes. Sure this guys brother's dog's hair cutter's assisstant knew a guy at the gym who got diabetes from buying insulin, he never used it but buying it was enough to give him diabetes! He had a great diet too, he would drink soda all day and eat pancakes, icecream and skittles for his meals but it was all the insulins fault!

See it is dangerous stay far far away from it.

LOL!

 

[DTOX]

There are some of us who totally disagree with elijah and natty.

But instead of arguing that they're "wrong" I think it's obvious to see that one size doesn't fit all, and like most thinks (juice for instance) everyone is different.

My experience (and a few others) is that you can basically pig-out on carbs post-workout after you inject during that "window" that the insulin is in your system. My gains were fantastic, and I didn't have any of the "fat gain" that others talk about. I guess our metabolisms are just different.

 

[magnusson187]

I did my homework and tried it for the first time last cycle, Results on 700 mg test a wk, 75 mg eod tren, and 10 ius humulin r post workout only was 29 lbs

I'm guessing bf only went up 2-3% but thats not that bad for consuming 6000 to 8000 cal ed.

One bad side is your muscles get so stuffed with glycogen that your body gets INSANELY pumped for hours

 

[GeneticalChallenge]

Interesting thread!

I have a couple of questions for all you slin gurus.

I don´t have any experience at all from insulin so please treat me like a 5 year old.

1.] Is there anything as a "first-time insulin user"? That is, would insulin, used the first time around yield greater gains similar to a first-time steroid user? Or should the gains be consistent regardless of "experience"?

2.] Insulin, when used post-workout. Would it be allright for me to take my 5-10 minute drive home and take my post-workout drink together with say 5iu insulin or should this be done _directly_ after a workout? (I wouldn´t feel comfortable packing needles and stuff in my gymbag.)

3.] For a first-time user, what steroids should insulin be stacked with or should insulin be primary used for post-cycle therapy for a first time user and then tried in a cycle together with steroids?
I´ve heard of a slin+gh+clen+t3 combo. Although I don´t have any facts to back that up.

Any input on this would be greatly appreciated!
Excuse my spelling.

 

[DTOX]

1. As long as you don't become insulin resistant and/or your muscles aren't already 100+% full of glycogen then you'll continue to see gains.

2. Depends on what you're using. With Hum-R you have a 30 min. window after injection to get carbs. With Humalog you have a 15 min. window. It's still safer to eat *some* carbs right after injection so you don't go hypoglycemic. Also, depending on where in your body you shoot and other factors, the insulin might hit you damn fast (like if you accidentally hit a vein). If I were you I'd just wait until I got home to shoot & eat carbs.

3. I would guess that test + insulin + GH + T3 would be the best stack. Any combination of those is going to give you better results than just a single one though. For the T3 dosages, since you're trying to gain mass and not lose weight, I'd stick with 6.25mcg - 12.5mcg/day to improve insulin sensitivity and protein uptake. Other steroids that improve insulin sensitiviy like d-bol would probably work fantastic with insulin too.

 

[rpwhit777]

This is awesome stuff guys, great info.....Well I just orderd some slin today, I will be running it on my post cycle with hcg,clomid,and nolvadex, stacked with
glutamine, creatine......I' ll let everyone know how it goes....I begin post cycle in three weeks.........

 

[thepeg]

is it just me or does your body get used to the slin and not have the same effect. the first one or two times i use it i get a wicked pump but not as much later on. this is why i only use it 3 or 4 times a week max.

 

[rpwhit777]

I think read some where that it is better to use it for only 3-4 weeks than to get off for equal time.......T/ or /F????

 

[GeneticalChallenge]

1. As long as you don't become insulin resistant and/or your muscles aren't already 100+% full of glycogen then you'll continue to see gains.

2. Depends on what you're using. With Hum-R you have a 30 min. window after injection to get carbs. With Humalog you have a 15 min. window. It's still safer to eat *some* carbs right after injection so you don't go hypoglycemic. Also, depending on where in your body you shoot and other factors, the insulin might hit you damn fast (like if you accidentally hit a vein). If I were you I'd just wait until I got home to shoot & eat carbs.

3. I would guess that test + insulin + GH + T3 would be the best stack. Any combination of those is going to give you better results than just a single one though. For the T3 dosages, since you're trying to gain mass and not lose weight, I'd stick with 6.25mcg - 12.5mcg/day to improve insulin sensitivity and protein uptake. Other steroids that improve insulin sensitiviy like d-bol would probably work fantastic with insulin too.

Thanks Dtox!

A couple of more questions then.

1.] How does excess bf work together with insulin? I´m guessing overweight people would be somewhat insulin resistant and the desired effect from insulin (muscle gain) would really result in fat gain?
Should one get their diet in order and take a low dose of T3 to improve insulin resistance? I´m in no way obese, just in the 2 digit mark.
Am I way off on this on?

2.] I understand log would be the best choice for a first time user and it should be shot after workouts. What about days when I´m not working out? Should I for example take a shot first thing in the morning (log) when my body is carb depleted and load up on some carbs?

3.] How long should a cycle with insulin (log) last?

4.] I can get my hands on a 300iu humalog pen but the only one that can supply me with that only ships his products. A domestic source. Any chance of the log going bad?

5.] The newbie question What kind of gains should someone see with the use of log and the % retained after discontinuing log.

Please understand my concern on this one.

 

[GeneticalChallenge]

Sorry, but I really need to bump this one.

 

[Deepglute]

Some one once asked Dan Duchaine if he should start using Insulin to gain more muscle and Duchaine's reply was "no use it only if you want to gain more fat". Duchaine went on to discuss the need to have very low insulin resistance and high insulin sensativity to really benefit from Insulin use.

Duchaine pointed out that he believed that in the future the focus will be developing supps and drugs which greatly improve your body's ability to utilize Insulin. We now see this happening with the introduction of Glucorell.

As I got older I personally experience what the majority do; an increase in Insulin resistance and a decline in Insulin sensativity. Glucorell as well as Vanadyl and chromium have made a huge difference for me.

I personally use Insulin twice/week after my workouts. 7 iu's Slin with about 90 grams of carbs, 50 grams protein, 4 glucorell caps, 1 vanadyl tab, and 1 400mcg chromium cap. I am leaner with greater lean BM on this regimant.

 

[DTOX]

Thanks Dtox!

A couple of more questions then.

1.] How does excess bf work together with insulin? I´m guessing overweight people would be somewhat insulin resistant and the desired effect from insulin (muscle gain) would really result in fat gain?
Should one get their diet in order and take a low dose of T3 to improve insulin resistance? I´m in no way obese, just in the 2 digit mark.
Am I way off on this on?

2.] I understand log would be the best choice for a first time user and it should be shot after workouts. What about days when I´m not working out? Should I for example take a shot first thing in the morning (log) when my body is carb depleted and load up on some carbs?

3.] How long should a cycle with insulin (log) last?

4.] I can get my hands on a 300iu humalog pen but the only one that can supply me with that only ships his products. A domestic source. Any chance of the log going bad?

5.] The newbie question What kind of gains should someone see with the use of log and the % retained after discontinuing log.

Please understand my concern on this one.

1. Not at all! Truth is I know there are plenty of BBs on the forums here telling people not even to think about using insulin unless your bf% is 10% or below. I think that's a bit overkill, but I agree with the concern. If your bf% is high I wouldn't even think of using insulin--*you're already insulin resistant*. Personally I would think that taking a morning glucose & a 2-hour glucose test would be the best way to determine if you're insulin resistant or not. If that's not possible then I'd probably say 15% bf is probably where to draw the line in the sand...but 10% would be a hell of a lot better. I'd get others opinions and experiences on this too...

2. I never said log was the best. Hum-R and Humalog have their good points and bad points, one peaks harder and faster, but it's out of the system faster too, and vice versa. And I don't see the point in shooting on off days. I know people do it, but they're usually using Hum-N, not log or R. Just seems like a good way to get insulin resistant without that much reward, but I've never done it so I could be dead wrong. Maybe if you were shooting long-acting hGH then Hum-N everyday would make sense...

3. No idea. You'll know when it's time to taper off when you start getting fat.

4. Insulin needs to be refridgerated if not being used. It won't immediately go bad at room temperature, but it won't last forever either.

5. No idea. Depends on how it's used. You can gain a lot of weight by stuffing yourself with carbs on insulin, but if you're one of these scaredy cats afraid of gaining an ounce of fat and only eat 50g of carbs post-workout then obviously you won't gain as much. I can't answer you on the retaining part...it's not going to be 100% simply because you are going to naturally use up your muscle glycogen and not be supercompensated forever when you stop using insulin.

 

[DiamondBling]

I luv Slin (humalog). Yes, I did put considerable amount of fat, however the first time I used it, I used it post cycle with no juice. The second time I ran it I was on juice.

Once you know ur body's insulin sensitivity and are confident with using Slin, you can go down to 5 grams of carbs per IU.

This Fall/Winter I will be using it 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Twice a day on work out days and once (morning) on rest days.

 

[GeneticalChallenge]

1. Not at all! Truth is I know there are plenty of BBs on the forums here telling people not even to think about using insulin unless your bf% is 10% or below. I think that's a bit overkill, but I agree with the concern. If your bf% is high I wouldn't even think of using insulin--*you're already insulin resistant*. Personally I would think that taking a morning glucose & a 2-hour glucose test would be the best way to determine if you're insulin resistant or not. If that's not possible then I'd probably say 15% bf is probably where to draw the line in the sand...but 10% would be a hell of a lot better. I'd get others opinions and experiences on this too...

2. I never said log was the best. Hum-R and Humalog have their good points and bad points, one peaks harder and faster, but it's out of the system faster too, and vice versa. And I don't see the point in shooting on off days. I know people do it, but they're usually using Hum-N, not log or R. Just seems like a good way to get insulin resistant without that much reward, but I've never done it so I could be dead wrong. Maybe if you were shooting long-acting hGH then Hum-N everyday would make sense...

3. No idea. You'll know when it's time to taper off when you start getting fat.

4. Insulin needs to be refridgerated if not being used. It won't immediately go bad at room temperature, but it won't last forever either.

5. No idea. Depends on how it's used. You can gain a lot of weight by stuffing yourself with carbs on insulin, but if you're one of these scaredy cats afraid of gaining an ounce of fat and only eat 50g of carbs post-workout then obviously you won't gain as much. I can't answer you on the retaining part...it's not going to be 100% simply because you are going to naturally use up your muscle glycogen and not be supercompensated forever when you stop using insulin.

Thanks for your reply Dtox! Much appreciated!

DiamondBling:

When you used slin together with gear, did you still put on fat? More or less when you used it alone? I´m just trying to figure out if I´m gonna try it in a bulker with test,drol and dbol or by itself.

 

[DiamondBling]

Just like juice itself, u can eat more and stay a little leaner correct. If you are worried about fat gain, I wouldn't recommend doing Slin on its own. I just didn't give a fuck about my appearance

I would throw in some Fina into that bulker with the Slin. Fina will keep u lean so it will help keep the fat off while u are administering Slin.

 

[elijah_123]

Gentically challenged I'd agree with dtox on all the points.
I will also add that shooting on off days or on work out days before or long after a work out does have it's advantages. Post work out insulin use barely increases protein synthesis (1%) over what your body naturally does. However it does decrease protein degradation by around 20%. Used in a non-post work out environment however it increases protein synthesis by 20% but does little for protein degradation.

I prefer humulin because it is cheaper and is effective longer. The quick in and out of log just doesn't have enough punch for my taste

 

[elijah_123]

Yes and fina is very nice with slin

 

[DiamondBling]

Very, very nice