Jim's Daily Low Dose HCG Expierement

[Alpin]

Just not well. That is an exaggeration for sure. Lost appetite, energy, libido, well-being, mood, etc, etc. I was getting labs all the while and they didn't reveal much.

HCG def messes with my appetite too the higher the dose.
I feel F all from anything less than 300 iu per dose....
It will keep some size but nothing compared to 500 iu per shot...

 

[Jimstigator]

Your pre TRT SA was pretty decent...?
U had lowish T too obviously before going on TRT....no?

Yeah, when full natural I was sub 200 TT for a long while. Right before I started TRT, I was on Tamoxifen... so my LH and FSH were cranking. That kept my fertility numbers sky high. My point in mentioning it was just to highlight that my testes worked fine pre-TRT, so I had a chance for fertility with HCG.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

Yeah, when full natural I was sub 200 TT for a long while. Right before I started TRT, I was on Tamoxifen... so my LH and FSH were cranking. That kept my fertility numbers sky high. My point in mentioning it was just to highlight that my testes worked fine pre-TRT, so I had a chance for fertility with HCG.

-Jim

I appreciate this thread and find it really imformatable...
But, u haven't told us the specifics....
Of what LH and FSH were at when they were "cranking"...

Testes are " fine" pre TRT with 200 TT and "cranking" LH and FSH levels??
What lab values did u have on the fertility test that classify you as a "silverback"??

 

[Jimstigator]

I appreciate this thread and find it really imformatable...
But, u haven't told us the specifics....
Of what LH and FSH were at when they were "cranking"...

Testes are " fine" pre TRT with 200 TT and "cranking" LH and FSH levels??
What lab values did u have on the fertility test that classify you as a "silverback"??

Sorry Apollon, but that's by design. I don't want all my details out there. I believe I posted enough to help some guy out there struggling with generally accepted HCG doses, but still wants fertility.

What will happen when I run for president and am tracked to this forum?! Nobody wants a president with small balls!

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

Hey fellas,

As you may or may not have seen me post - my body has a tough time with HCG. In the past, every time I have tried to add it, I have big issues and stop. Burning sensation in nips despite low estrogen, anxiety, complete loss of appetite, mood swings, etc. The list goes on and on. That was always at 250iu twice a week.

Although not discussed much around here, there are HCG dosing schemes other than 250-500iu twice a week. Recently, Dr. Crisler wrote a bit about low daily doses (100iu), or even as wild as twice a day dosing for stubborn patients. Not only does this stimulate natural production a little closer, it also gets rid of some of the peaks/valleys injecting it only twice a week.

For the past two months, I have been injecting 50mg test cyp E3.5D, resulting in a TT of 650-780 and an E2 of 12-20. Last week, I added in 50iu of HCG daily, and will stay on it for a while.

Granted, I think I am a hyper responder to HCG, but my testes, at 50iu a day for the past 7 days, are already nearly back to full size and firmness, from shrived prunes after 10 months test cyp only. From day one of HCG injections, I started to feel a sensation down below, and its continued on. Symptoms have been manageable, with slight anxiety yesterday, but that's it.

I'll be getting T and sensitive E tested every two weeks for the next few months. Further, throughout my TRT journey, I have had fertility testing done. Pre-TRT results were perfect, but after 6 months, I was essentially infertile. I will resume this testing in a month or two, hoping that even a low dose can restore my testicular function to normal.

I get it... low dose HCG don't work for everyone, but if all of us were the same, we wouldn't be lingering around a TRT forum gathering up info. Hopefully this is a decent option for guys like me who have a tough time at higher doses.

Thats it, thats all.
Jim

If your balls are so full of low dose HCG then how do you know you need to use TRT ? and not just work with HCG on its own?
Have you experimented with HCG on its own???

 

[Alpin]

Yeah, when full natural I was sub 200 TT for a long while. Right before I started TRT, I was on Tamoxifen... so my LH and FSH were cranking. That kept my fertility numbers sky high. My point in mentioning it was just to highlight that my testes worked fine pre-TRT, so I had a chance for fertility with HCG.

-Jim

Who made the diagnosis that your fertility numbers were "sky high"(you or your doctor?)and was it based on the LH/FSH levels or off a Semen Analysis?

 

[Jimstigator]

If your balls are so full of low dose HCG then how do you know you need to use TRT ? and not just work with HCG on its own?
Have you experimented with HCG on its own???

No, and have no intentions of trying it. My body had its chance for the better part of the last decade.

 

[Jimstigator]

Who made the diagnosis that your fertility numbers were "sky high"(you or your doctor?)and was it based on the LH/FSH levels or off a Semen Analysis?

My Dr and a fertility specialist, before, during, and after starting TRT. Based on what a Dr would used to determine fertility - semen. I've had a semen analysis performed every few months for the past 2 years.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

My Dr and a fertility specialist, before, during, and after starting TRT. Based on what a Dr would used to determine fertility - semen. I've had a semen analysis performed every few months for the past 2 years.

-Jim

Have you fathered a kid yet?
Are you done having kids?

 

[Jimstigator]

I suppose my final update - the boys are working, confirmed by a baby in the belly!

Back when I started TRT, after 8 months, lost all fertility. Few months of daily low dose HCG got it back up.

HCG regimen for the past year has been 60-100iu HCG daily. I buy a vial, reconstitute, load up a ton of small insulin syringes, and freeze all but one. Backfill a new syringe daily with dose, and thaw another HCG loaded/frozen one has needed. Single vial of HCG lasts 4-5 months I'd guess.

I did not stop testosterone at any point over the past 2 years.

Good luck out there!
Jim

 

[Mprtz]

Congrats to you Jim. Good info for others in your position!

 

[Megatron28]

Congratulations Jim!

 

[Jimstigator]

Congrats to you Jim. Good info for others in your position!

Congratulations Jim!

Thanks fellas! I lost a lot of sleep over fertility the past two years. Pumped it all worked out.

-Jim

 

[IMT staff]

The furthest look I have taken is that Dr Crisler and Mariano recommend it if you are willing to shoot daily. You can't possibly think this is riskier the the 250-500iu blasts someone like IMT or even yourself recommends?

Don't you think a small dose daily is much more in line with natural production that the two larger shots you take a week?

I take less in a week than most guys take per shot. When I did 250iu twice a week, my testes were massive. Now they are around, if not a notch smaller, than pre-hormone issues. They don't seem over stimulated, but what do I know. Just going off Dr. advice.

You have any reason to suspect this protocol could cause harm, or just showing concern for a fellow broski trying to iron out his hormones?

-Jim

Yes we do. The only problem is desensitization. You ran HCG for a really long time, I didn't see your T dose but assume its low.

Once the testes are re-sensitized it totally makes sense to low dose and studies confirm that dosing, the only thing is in the study the patients were not ASIH.

So that changes things. We have learned over time each scenario is very different and it matters on how long things need to be turned around plus goals. Some guys just want to get fertile and then be done and go right back to normal TRT dose.

Either way glad it worked for you and if it ain't broke don't fix it

DPR is big on LR3 with HPTA restart. One of our physicians may try it and report back.