juicing is extremely addicting,
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bro, what is ur view on tren? with prop and var, as second cycle for lean mass
The same as most others: for most it is too much for a second cycle. They still don't have the hands on experience. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for a second cycle but there can be exceptions to the rule.
skinnypete
Hammer Time
Doesnt a good dose of test do it for you, or anyone now a days? I just love me some test.....and the gains that come from it. And on topic...anything that you obsess over or that consumes your whole being and life isnt healthy. Money, over eating, gambling, drugs, sex, ect......Hormones are definitely something that can be addicting and an be extremely harmful to people who are irresponsible and immature. ........
.........Not to be hypocritical
.........Not to be hypocritical
Deca, NPP, add an oral, etc. heck even just slightly higher testosterone only cycle would work. many options out there but ultimately results will be dictated by diet and training so while you're researching which compounds you'd like to run, research *proper* lifting and programming and diet.
A beginner will make progress with almost any type of training. He is so unadapted to training that almost any stimulus he provides from training will yield a physiologic adaptation. When he gets to the intermediate stage this changes and periodization or other techniques are warranted. This is where you hear many people not able to make any more gains and want to jump on gear. Beginner gains have been exhausted and bc they don't know how to program lifting correctly and they get their workouts from a magazine or their best friend, they think they've reached genetic potential when this is far from the case. A simple tweak to training will continue to bring about gains but it means dropping biases and opening your mind to what works. Not everyone will do this, few will in fact. Instead they'll jump on gear and continue getting results blissfully unaware that their training still sucks but the gear is making up for that.
As for diet, no one is perfect and we all are different. Some want to eat 6-8meals a day other want to do intermittent fasting. Some eat paleo others eat zone. Sme do high carb others carb cycle or cut out carbs completely bc carbs are the devil and responsible for fat gains. The name of your diet does little to change the efficacy of it. Results are dictated by consuming the right amount of calories and macros for your goals. Whether you call it the Atkins diet, paleo diet, BB'er diet, IF diet makes no difference in the long run if you don't tailor the nutrition to your goals. Conversely any diet will work if its tailored properly. Get in the diet forum and make a thread asking for constructive critique. I guarantee there will be room for improvement and fixing your diet is cheaper than running any compound. 3J offers a free diet help thread and has helped HUNDREDS of people for free. You can become a customer and get more help and access to him 24/7. If neither of those sound appealing make your own thread and there are quite a few people here other than myself who I would trust to give me diet advice.
My main point is the compounds you ultimately run will have less of an affect if everything else is lacking i.e. training and diet. You can exponentially increase your results by working on those 2 things and in the end it will be much cheaper than any cycle you can dream of and better for you as well. Good luck
halfwit
I like turtles.
I'd be willing to bet you sugar is far more addicting.
Anyone that has gone full keto knows what I'm talking about.
Mad- scientist
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Lol the word addicting is misleading. I mean eating junk food is addicting, fucking girls is addicting, going out with friends and spending lots of money is addicting, any thing can become addicting. True addiction is physical addiction like with drawls from opiates. Technically you could consider AAS addicting once your natural testosterone is so low from abusing it that you are not normal with out steroids and can not function right. You can become physically dependent on steroids if you abuse them enough. Or than again somebody could just have low testosterone to begin with and use steroids to be normal again. I think steroids with out doubt have addicting qualities if you abuse them and do not let your body recover properly. But if you do everything correctly and recover properly your chances of becoming dependent on them for normal healthy testosterone levels is very slim. But like I said I feel for something to be truly addictive it is when you have physical with drawls from item. Steroid PCT could be considered with drawls in a weird way but its not. It is more of just a consequence of using steroids.
skinnypete
Hammer Time
I'd be willing to bet you sugar is far more addicting.
Anyone that has gone full keto knows what I'm talking about.
have you heard about that lab test done on rats about sugar and cocaine.....After be absent of both the rats chose sugar over the cocaine.... Sugar is a tool by the government and fda to keep us physically and emotionally un fit.
And maaan i have yet to go full keto for a period of time but plan to in about 8 months .....
skinnypete
Hammer Time
mmmm, well you can get withdrawals from caffeine...nicotine.....and people do get withdrawals from money...why do you think people loose there house, let alone even put it up to bet! haha addiction is fucking crazy. Why do some chicks just get spells where they have to go fuck some random dude. Or some dude every single day has to beat his meat to some skank on youporn. (not saying i dont do this every time and again)
Just ranting, kinda debating, not really arguing your point MS..
halfwit
I like turtles.
have you heard about that lab test done on rats about sugar and cocaine.....After be absent of both the rats chose sugar over the cocaine.... Sugar is a tool by the government and fda to keep us physically and emotionally un fit.
And maaan i have yet to go full keto for a period of time but plan to in about 8 months .....
Yep. It's funny how some foods that smell AMAZING become disgusting once you're in keto. Fast food? Forgettaboutttittt, smells and tastes like death-by-ass.
Not so sure about it being a form of control, but it most certainly is used as a tool to sell goods; even ones that don't need sugar. gaintothemax
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Steroids make everything feel better and I mean everything. They make you look better too. Nobody likes stopping.
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