Just Another Rookie Needing Some Info

Jae Juiceman

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Alright guys, here's the low down. Im new to this stuff. Ive done some research and decided to get on some. I train rather good in my opinion but im tired of being the little guy. I'm using T300 (enanthate) and im on my 3rd week.Im wanting to know how long before I actually start seeing results. Ive noticed my strength has gone up like crazy but how long until i see the physical aspect of it.

a little info.


22 years od age and Im only 5'7 weighing in at 132 roughly. (like i said..small)

diet consists of about 120 grams of protein. and have a carb intake but i was told to stay away from the carbs as they make you fat. i'm aware its essential for working out so i still have carbs in my diet. im on a 60-20-20 diet, taking in about 2000 calories a day. is cardio necessary??? im aiming for mass but i dont want to look bloated.

ive only been working out consistently for about 2 months. in the past 3 weeks my strength gains are noticable. went from benching 110 to 165. curling 65 lb ez bar from 50 lb. lower body strength has seen same amount of improvements.
 
Ok before you run a cycle how about build up your body some and learn a little more about nutrition. I am not trying to bust your balls,flame you or run you in the ground. If that is you in your avitar I can tell you that you need to work on your base before expanding on it. If you want to build muscle and pack on some pounds you need carbs. You need more protien and you need to get a good training routine where you are working your entire body once a week split into training sessions that are focused and thorough. Men getting on cycles of steroids training bodies that are not ready for it end up with crap results, wasted money, and often injuries which are worse of all. Using steroids and building mass is not easy. There is also a certain amount of sacrifice you gotta make all the way around in your life to do this. You do not just go inject drugs hit the gym sleep and tada big muscles. Sometimes your gonna be bloated. Sometimes you may hold a little fat, and sometimes you are gonna have to go home and get sleep while your boys are out tearing up the club. You need a few years of real training under your belt before you are ready to realize your potential and take it to the next level. For all you know you might not even really like going to the gym enough to get any kind of results. I trained for 14 years before ever touching a cycle. I had competed in powerlifting, karate, wrestling, soccer, baseball, and raced mountainbike before I took steroids. I am not a big dude either. Hell I was five feet five inches tall and weighed 174 when I started running gear. I am sure you are making gains on steroids, but looking at your numbers let me tell you man, I would not be taking steroids if I were you. Eating right, training right, and living with some discepline will get you plenty far. Do you even know what excercises build the most mass. What about the difference between branch chain amino acids and peptide bond amino acids? What about post cycle therapy what ancillary drugs do you plan on using? Dude your just not ready yet. That is not saying that you wont be. Who ever sold you that shit should have their ass kicked people like you are why this shit is illegal and considered a hazard to the public. Kids like you go out get some shit use it wrong and end up with health problems or doing crazy things. Kids like you use gear train wrong and workout with people who think they know something but do not then they end up getting hurt and are fucked for life. Go to bodybuilding.com and read some article on training get a good routine stick to it for 3 months then look in the mirror and be proud of what you built on your own. Before ever touching this stuff you need to be maxed all the way out to the limit of your natural ability and potential. Steroids and other performance enhancers give us the ability to go beyond our natural capacity, they are not nor ever were a replacement for hardwork and dedication. Bro please do not take this the wrong way. I have been a lot nicer than others would be and will be to you. Quit taking what ever it is you are on, go get some good suplements hire a trainer if you need too and you will get tons of results. One more thing have you ever considered the amount of damage that unnaturaly strong muscles do to tendons and ligaments when they are not ready. You see steroids will grow your muscle but they do not do shit for tendons and ligaments. It takes time to strengthen all of that. Time is the best supplement I can recommend to you right now. Do some research and pay attention to what you find. Obviously you have not or you would already know how long it takes to see results and you would also know you need carbs and that bloating is part of the game sometimes especially when running test e.
 
thanks for not answering my question..haha im kidding dude. taking on a few points that you mentioned

1. i dont work out once a week. i mentioned i have been working out consistently for the past 2 months. i have worked out off and on for years (not even thinking about steroids) just not consistenly.
monday-back, bi, traps
tuesday-chest, tri, shoulders
wednesday-legs
repeat throughout week and rest on sunday.

2.pct consists of chlomid (50mg) and arimedix (.25mg) every other day

i have a good workout regime and was actually trained by a good friend/ mlb player for the astros.

so basically youre telling me to have a higher protein intake?

im not trying to be a d*ck. im aware of the side effects. i eat right, i train good. im not at my max but i dont see why steroids would hurt if im educated on it. im just new to this and need some info.
 
Alright guys, here's the low down. Im new to this stuff. Ive done some research and decided to get on some. I train rather good in my opinion but im tired of being the little guy. I'm using T300 (enanthate) and im on my 3rd week.Im wanting to know how long before I actually start seeing results. Ive noticed my strength has gone up like crazy but how long until i see the physical aspect of it.

a little info.


22 years od age and Im only 5'7 weighing in at 132 roughly. (like i said..small)

diet consists of about 120 grams of protein. and have a carb intake but i was told to stay away from the carbs as they make you fat. i'm aware its essential for working out so i still have carbs in my diet. im on a 60-20-20 diet, taking in about 2000 calories a day. is cardio necessary??? im aiming for mass but i dont want to look bloated.

ive only been working out consistently for about 2 months. in the past 3 weeks my strength gains are noticable. went from benching 110 to 165. curling 65 lb ez bar from 50 lb. lower body strength has seen same amount of improvements.

At 22 u need to get an x-ray done to see if ur growth plates are closed before running AAS. At ur age and weight 2000 cal a day is NOT enough intake, it's quite obvious. U need to post ur full stats in the diet section to get a proper diet so u can make some gains naturally.

Ok before you run a cycle how about build up your body some and learn a little more about nutrition. I am not trying to bust your balls,flame you or run you in the ground. If that is you in your avitar I can tell you that you need to work on your base before expanding on it. If you want to build muscle and pack on some pounds you need carbs. You need more protien and you need to get a good training routine where you are working your entire body once a week split into training sessions that are focused and thorough. Men getting on cycles of steroids training bodies that are not ready for it end up with crap results, wasted money, and often injuries which are worse of all. Using steroids and building mass is not easy. There is also a certain amount of sacrifice you gotta make all the way around in your life to do this. You do not just go inject drugs hit the gym sleep and tada big muscles. Sometimes your gonna be bloated. Sometimes you may hold a little fat, and sometimes you are gonna have to go home and get sleep while your boys are out tearing up the club. You need a few years of real training under your belt before you are ready to realize your potential and take it to the next level. For all you know you might not even really like going to the gym enough to get any kind of results. I trained for 14 years before ever touching a cycle. I had competed in powerlifting, karate, wrestling, soccer, baseball, and raced mountainbike before I took steroids. I am not a big dude either. Hell I was five feet five inches tall and weighed 174 when I started running gear. I am sure you are making gains on steroids, but looking at your numbers let me tell you man, I would not be taking steroids if I were you. Eating right, training right, and living with some discepline will get you plenty far. Do you even know what excercises build the most mass. What about the difference between branch chain amino acids and peptide bond amino acids? What about post cycle therapy what ancillary drugs do you plan on using? Dude your just not ready yet. That is not saying that you wont be. Who ever sold you that shit should have their ass kicked people like you are why this shit is illegal and considered a hazard to the public. Kids like you go out get some shit use it wrong and end up with health problems or doing crazy things. Kids like you use gear train wrong and workout with people who think they know something but do not then they end up getting hurt and are fucked for life. Go to bodybuilding.com and read some article on training get a good routine stick to it for 3 months then look in the mirror and be proud of what you built on your own. Before ever touching this stuff you need to be maxed all the way out to the limit of your natural ability and potential. Steroids and other performance enhancers give us the ability to go beyond our natural capacity, they are not nor ever were a replacement for hardwork and dedication. Bro please do not take this the wrong way. I have been a lot nicer than others would be and will be to you. Quit taking what ever it is you are on, go get some good suplements hire a trainer if you need too and you will get tons of results. One more thing have you ever considered the amount of damage that unnaturaly strong muscles do to tendons and ligaments when they are not ready. You see steroids will grow your muscle but they do not do shit for tendons and ligaments. It takes time to strengthen all of that. Time is the best supplement I can recommend to you right now. Do some research and pay attention to what you find. Obviously you have not or you would already know how long it takes to see results and you would also know you need carbs and that bloating is part of the game sometimes especially when running test e.

Some good points there, some pointless. Break ur shit up in paragraphs so it's easier to read. Not only that, but why so much ? It seriously took me 5 min to read something that was a 2-4 sentence answer to his question.

thanks for not answering my question..haha im kidding dude. taking on a few points that you mentioned

1. i dont work out once a week. i mentioned i have been working out consistently for the past 2 months. i have worked out off and on for years (not even thinking about steroids) just not consistenly.
monday-back, bi, traps
tuesday-chest, tri, shoulders
wednesday-legs
repeat throughout week and rest on sunday.

2.pct consists of chlomid (50mg) and arimedix (.25mg) every other day

i have a good workout regime and was actually trained by a good friend/ mlb player for the astros.

so basically youre telling me to have a higher protein intake?

im not trying to be a d*ck. im aware of the side effects. i eat right, i train good. im not at my max but i dont see why steroids would hurt if im educated on it. im just new to this and need some info.

U should not be working out the same muscle group twice a week. U need to get on a better diet meaning more calorie intake. Also a better training routine. It's quite obvious for the goals ur looking for u don't know what ur doing.
 
you gotta eat more than 2000 calories a day, especially if youre training.

Isnt 2000 a day what you need just to maintain the mass you have?

Eat till you feel sick. Then eat more. Treat eating like training.
 
I will break my statements into paragraphs when you learn how to properly abbreviate. Also all of those are good points. I will make sure all my future posts are approved by you before saying anything.
 
quit while you are behind

Never said you worked out once a week. I said you do not have enough experience and your picture shows that to be true. As far as your trainer and friend being a baseball player that is great, if you were playing baseball. I have trained some athletes that were professional in their respective sports. None of them were fitness experts. I do find it interesting if your friend is a pro-baseball player, why would train with you or want anything to do with steroids?

No matter what you do, don't mess with this stuff yet...................

thanks for not answering my question..haha im kidding dude. taking on a few points that you mentioned

1. i dont work out once a week. i mentioned i have been working out consistently for the past 2 months. i have worked out off and on for years (not even thinking about steroids) just not consistenly.
monday-back, bi, traps
tuesday-chest, tri, shoulders
wednesday-legs
repeat throughout week and rest on sunday.

2.pct consists of chlomid (50mg) and arimedix (.25mg) every other day

i have a good workout regime and was actually trained by a good friend/ mlb player for the astros.

so basically youre telling me to have a higher protein intake?

im not trying to be a d*ck. im aware of the side effects. i eat right, i train good. im not at my max but i dont see why steroids would hurt if im educated on it. im just new to this and need some info.
 
Never said you worked out once a week. I said you do not have enough experience and your picture shows that to be true. As far as your trainer and friend being a baseball player that is great, if you were playing baseball. I have trained some athletes that were professional in their respective sports. None of them were fitness experts. I do find it interesting if your friend is a pro-baseball player, why would train with you or want anything to do with steroids?

No matter what you do, don't mess with this stuff yet...................

My friend is in great shape, I felt like I could gain alot from his knowledge. Him being a friend decided to help me get into shape. He isnt aware im using. He used in high school and told me he had great results. He doesnt use anymore and swears he wouldnt touch it again.
 
At 22 u need to get an x-ray done to see if ur growth plates are closed before running AAS. At ur age and weight 2000 cal a day is NOT enough intake, it's quite obvious. U need to post ur full stats in the diet section to get a proper diet so u can make some gains naturally.



Some good points there, some pointless. Break ur shit up in paragraphs so it's easier to read. Not only that, but why so much ? It seriously took me 5 min to read something that was a 2-4 sentence answer to his question.



U should not be working out the same muscle group twice a week. U need to get on a better diet meaning more calorie intake. Also a better training routine. It's quite obvious for the goals ur looking for u don't know what ur doing.

I think i got the most info from your reply. Thanks man. i'll post a thread in the diet section and hope for some good feedback. my actual calorie intake is 3000 roughly. I had a typo as the 2 is right next to the 3.

i'm satisfied with my physique just wish my muscles were a little bigger. i dont plan on juicing forever.
 
I think i got the most info from your reply. Thanks man. i'll post a thread in the diet section and hope for some good feedback. my actual calorie intake is 3000 roughly. I had a typo as the 2 is right next to the 3.

i'm satisfied with my physique just wish my muscles were a little bigger. i dont plan on juicing forever.

You're 5'7" and roughly 132 lbs which really means you're a buck twenty.Damn you're tiny and you only want to get a little bigger.If the pic in your avatar is you it's obvious you dont eat enough.Men in their 20's should be larger then a petite woman IMO.

Save the money you'd spend on gear and eat like a mofo and throw in some creatine.If you don't gain 10-15 lbs in a couple months something is wrong.
 
I will break my statements into paragraphs when you learn how to properly abbreviate. Also all of those are good points. I will make sure all my future posts are approved by you before saying anything.

Thanks man, it's much appreciated. If u want me to list the poor points or incorrect things u said I'd be more than happy to.

I think i got the most info from your reply. Thanks man. i'll post a thread in the diet section and hope for some good feedback. my actual calorie intake is 3000 roughly. I had a typo as the 2 is right next to the 3.

i'm satisfied with my physique just wish my muscles were a little bigger. i dont plan on juicing forever.

Ur welcome, and no prob about the typo it happens. U'd be surprised what a high calorie diet can do to u, along with proper training. Ur small to be doing AAS, not dogging u at all man so don't take it the wrong way. But yeah post ur full stats in the diet section and 3J will help u out big time.

Also remember once u start gaining muscle, ur gonna have to eat more calories to maintain the muscle. That's why we all suggest u get some natural size before taking AAS. Ur a lil young and small for em at this point. Yes u will gain on AAS, but if ur diet and training is not in tact u will lose the gains instantly.
 
fellas hes been training consistently for 2 whole months , i cant believe some of you dont think hes ready to cycle.he weighs 132 pounds , how could you guys doubt that he eats enough and that he has his diet down pat.
lol lol lol lol lol lol


jae juiceman
here is a interesting FACT
the bigger you get means that your calorie and protein requirements will increase.so even if somehow you manage to grow a little by doing a cycle when you come off it will eventually melt right back off.2 months of consistent training should be 2 years before starting steroids at your age.pleasetell me that you have all your pct meds on hand and know how to run post cycle therapy.
 
I think i got the most info from your reply. Thanks man. i'll post a thread in the diet section and hope for some good feedback. my actual calorie intake is 3000 roughly. I had a typo as the 2 is right next to the 3.

i'm satisfied with my physique just wish my muscles were a little bigger. i dont plan on juicing forever.
A whole 3000? I remember reading that Michael Phelps eats 8-10,000 calories a day and he's still skinny. Of course he's a lot taller than you. You probably need 5,000+ if you can't grow at 3,000.
 
i just want to thank the guy who actually gave me some viable feedback and a extra thank you for all the sh*theads for the non constructive criticism. theres a reason us beginners get on here. if needed info isnt obtained here we're just going to go to another site. too much testosterone gives some of you douche attitudes. i was expecting it nonetheless but nice to know one out of the bunch actually knows what he's talking about.
 
your the douche bag-my sister will kick your skinny ass for talking to us like that.

you have no clue what your doing-i hope the possible long-term effects to your left vent are worth it-who knows but you may have to pay for the 10 pounds of water your gonna gain on this cycle with a stroke or a heart attack when your 40.......................go get em tiger
 
i just want to thank the guy who actually gave me some viable feedback and a extra thank you for all the sh*theads for the non constructive criticism. theres a reason us beginners get on here. if needed info isnt obtained here we're just going to go to another site. too much testosterone gives some of you douche attitudes. i was expecting it nonetheless but nice to know one out of the bunch actually knows what he's talking about.
One guy told you what you want to hear.

You say you want to get bigger.If you dont eat enough now how do you expect to get bigger on AAS.I'm double your weight and have to stuff myself to maintain BW on cycle.For a number of reason I didnt eat enough for about 10 days in the middle of a cycle.I lost 10 lbs and got weak in a hurry.Given your current weight it's clear you dont eat enough to gain weight.

Long story short if you do this you better stuff yourself 24/7 or you will lose weight and look even more scrawny.:hahano:
 
cool. so i doubled my calorie intake and almost trippled my protein intake today...i dont see how the hell you can eat so much. ive been miserable all day trying to feed my face..but if thats what i have to do...then i guess its round 2 tomorrow.
 
cool. so i doubled my calorie intake and almost trippled my protein intake today...i dont see how the hell you can eat so much. ive been miserable all day trying to feed my face..but if thats what i have to do...then i guess its round 2 tomorrow.

It will get better,just stay focused on your goal.
 
is there a secret to scarffing down so many calories?? im aware the more weight you put on, the more calories you have to take in.for guys who weigh 170..200 lbs..how do you manage eating 5, 6 or 7 thousand calories a day?
 
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