Just start my new cycle, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during or pct??

[sebaslizar]

Just start my new cycle, hcg during or pct??

Hi guys, im in my first week of my third cycle. I'll be using test e, deca and Winstrol (winny) for exit. Trying to make solid gains here, not too much of the dirty fat bulking.
23 years, 190Lbs, 10% BF,
This is how it looks:

1-10 Test E (Monday 250mg and Friday 250mg)
1-8 Deca (Wednesday 300mg)
6-10 Winstrol (winny) (50mg eod)
1-10 Arimidex (1mg ED)
1-10 Milk Thistle (silimarine) 400mg ED

PCT:
nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50
hcg 5000iu week

Im not sure if using hcg during cycle to help prevent deca dick.... something like 5000iu 1 week on 1 week off???, or just use it in post cycle
I had a little gyno last cycle because of no post cycle therapy (pct). My trainer was an idiot. So ill be using adex 1mg every day before bed
OPINIONS???

 

[sebaslizar]

My diet consist in 350gr protein, 380gr carbs and 80gr fat..... something like 3700cal
eating 6 meals without considering my post shake. Eating every 2-3 hours, clean foods always
Protein: chicken breast, red meat, fish, eggs, protein powder
Carbs: brown rice, oatmeal, sweet potato, whole wheat bread, vegetables
Fats: olive oil, peanuts, cashews, avocado

HOW WOULD U SPLIT MACROS THROUGHT THE DAY???

 

[Youngblood43]

Adex needs to be dosed lower. I would do 1mg eeveryday
You'll crash ur estrogen to hard. Start low and work up if u need to. I'd start at .5mg eod

 

[thades]

Agree start at .5mg eod of adex.

Ideally you should run the test and the deca long, especially because the deca takes so long to kick in.

Run Hcg on cycle 250iu's twice a week. If you have enough you could do a hcg blast right before post cycle therapy (pct) too.

 

[DinoRamada]

Hi guys, im in my first week of my third cycle. I'll be using test e, deca and Winstrol (winny) for exit. Trying to make solid gains here, not too much of the dirty fat bulking.
23 years, 190Lbs, 10% BF,
This is how it looks:

1-10 Test E (Monday 250mg and Friday 250mg)
1-8 Deca (Wednesday 300mg)
6-10 Winstrol (winny) (50mg eod)
1-10 Arimidex (1mg ED)
1-10 Milk Thistle (silimarine) 400mg ED

PCT:
nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50
hcg 5000iu week

Im not sure if using hcg during cycle to help prevent deca dick.... something like 5000iu 1 week on 1 week off???, or just use it in post cycle
I had a little gyno last cycle because of no post cycle therapy (pct). My trainer was an idiot. So ill be using adex 1mg every day before bed
OPINIONS???

you are way high on your hcg here for on cycle... maybe you meant 500iu? 5000iu will go over the top on shut you down again.

 

[Youngblood43]

^^agreed. Was hoping he made a typo

 

[bigherm2121]

Deca at 300 for 8 weeks is useless. Also are you pinning deca once a week? Deca should be ran at least 12 weeks. Adex is to high and I don't see anything listed for prolactin sides! Also Winstrol (winny) is garbage unless for contest prep. Give that shit to someone else. So this is your third cycle already at 23. Man that's no good bro just saying man. When did you finish your last cycle?

 

[DinoRamada]

some low dose clomid (25mg eod) and a little hcg (250iu 2xw) on cycle can go a long way toward keeping you from shutting down in the first place, then you may not need such an hcg blast in post cycle therapy (pct). bottom line is everyone is different and every cycle is different. over doing post cycle therapy (pct) can be just as bad as under doing it. HCG can shut you down, AIs can cause estrogen sensetivity, and SERMs are just retarded estrogen. do as little as possible for the desired results. same with gear really.

 

[bigherm2121]

some low dose clomid (25mg eod) and a little hcg (250iu 2xw) on cycle can go a long way toward keeping you from shutting down in the first place, then you may not need such an hcg blast in post cycle therapy (pct). bottom line is everyone is different and every cycle is different. over doing post cycle therapy (pct) can be just as bad as under doing it. HCG can shut you down, AIs can cause estrogen sensetivity, and SERMs are just retarded estrogen. do as little as possible for the desired results. same with gear really.

What do you mean about running hcg and clomid on cycle not shutting you down? He will be running deca which is said a 200mg shot will suppress your natural test. Hcg and clomid do nothing for you on cycle besides keep your nuts fuller. A blast of hcg before post cycle therapy (pct) helps your lh signal to jump start it when test levels get low enough for natural test to start coming back.

 

[DinoRamada]

What do you mean about running hcg and clomid on cycle not shutting you down? He will be running deca which is said a 200mg shot will suppress your natural test. Hcg and clomid do nothing for you on cycle besides keep your nuts fuller. A blast of hcg before post cycle therapy (pct) helps your lh signal to jump start it when test levels get low enough for natural test to start coming back.

i could be wrong, but my assumption is that if your nuts are fuller its because they are actually producing some natural test. my understanding is that on-cycle testicular atrophy is caused by a short circuit in the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis caused by something (gear) your body percieves as waaay to much test. stimulating a portion of that axis (a SERM stimulating LH for instance) keeps the axis cycle from going into total shutdown since your body thinks it doesn't have enough estrogen and needs to produce more test so the test can aromatize into estrogen... giving you fuller nuts. but really like i said everyone is different. most of us aren't doctors and we are working off of anecdotal and tribal knowledge here just experimenting... my main point was to be cautious with your experiment. you only have one body.