Just Touching Base

B

BeauBear21

New member
I am about to start a 14 week cycle of Test 400 (1/2 a c on Monday and Thursday) and Aboms. Cycling Liduidex whenever I need it.
Im 21, 6'0 222 at 15% bf. I'm an endo/meso morph
My diet is squared away:
6000-7000 calories
40% protein
35% carbs
25% fats

My workouts are currently:
MWF: Chest and Back in the morning, Quads at night
TU-TH-SAT: Arms and Shoulders in the morning, Hams at night
Doing Abs and Calves everyday
Every other muscle group day I'm doing drop sets and super sets.

I'm just wondering how much I'm looking to gain on this cycle, I know I'm going to gain a decent amount of water weight, but
I'm talking about how much mass can I look to keep after the cycle is over.
 
Last edited:
I've been researching Anadrol and it says not to take it longer than 4-6 weeks because of its liver toxicity. Could, I supplement in decca for the remainder of the cycle after if finish the 4-6 with the Anadrol?
 
No don't do that. Deca needs 16 weeks, should be started with test, AND must be stopped 2 weeks prior to stopping test.
 
Im trying to bulk. I workout close to 5 or 6 hours a day based on energy level. Im burning almost 4000 cal a day souly based on my bmr and activity level. The more calories I eat, the better mass I'll get in the end.
 
I know bud, I've tried doing less, or removing some stuff from my routine, but I feel lazy by doing less. Its not all at 1 time obviously, but in the morning I'm just pumped to be back in the gym and at night I've got my last meal in me and 2 or 2 1/2 hours just doesn't seem that bad. Leaning up is easier but putting the mass on is hard work.
 
Well just because I train for a long time doesn't necessarily it's not smart training. When Kai Green prepared for the Olympia he flew out to Vegas and would train for 4 or so hours at a time for 7 weeks just for contest prep. Arnold would spend 5 hours in the gym every day 6x a week ensuring he was the best bodybuilder in the world. But, I feel that blasting through sets, even if you use proper form, and keeping it to a 30 sec-1 min rest period and claiming that is the thing to do is like saying the Atkins diet works for everyone. I have found that my body responds better to slower reps, ensuring that my muscles stretch and contract properly every time. I rest 1 1/2- 2 min between sets and 2-4 min between workouts depending on weight and intensity. I work two muscle groups a workout, I do my best to target every portion of the muscle while trying to reach every fiber of the muscle, and I do multiple workouts per muscle per muscle group. That is all mixed in with 20-30 min of concentrated ab work before every workout (which is why my morning session is longer than my evening session), 20-30 min of slow/steady cardio before everything to get my mind together and focus on my motivation for that workout, and stretching after easily reaches the 2/12 to 3 hr mark every time I'm in the gym.
 
Last edited:
BeauBear21 said:
Well just because I train for a long time doesn't necessarily it's not smart training. When Kai Green prepared for the Olympia he flew out to Vegas and would train for 4 or so hours at a time for 7 weeks just for contest prep. When you have a dream, you will do everything you can do to ensure that that dream becomes reality, so if by me spending 2 1/2 to 3 hours in the gym ensuring that all of my reps are done right, making sure that my rest time is taken, making sure that every set means something then so be it. I have my personal training license, and I am a fitness instructor for my Army unit so I know my limits.
Click to expand...

I hear ya bro, by all means...keep hittin hard man!
 
Not saying that your training is stupid but if you want to bulk you're training too much. If you could keep your cal count up and your workout routine time down you will see better results concerning mass especially if this is your first cycle, you could see 20-30lbs but not with your current routine. I'm by no means a BIG guy either, 6ft, 195, 9.8% bf. But am just starting my bulking cycle and have had to cut down my hours and cardio in the gym. You actually sound a lot like myself when it comes to working out, it's a grunt thing. which is why I can feel your pain on how hard the idea of less time in the gym sounds. More guys will chime in, just my .02
 
Last edited:
BeauBear21 said:
Well just because I train for a long time doesn't necessarily it's not smart training. When Kai Green prepared for the Olympia he flew out to Vegas and would train for 4 or so hours at a time for 7 weeks just for contest prep. Arnold would spend 5 hours in the gym every day 6x a week ensuring he was the best bodybuilder in the world. But, I feel that blasting through sets, even if you use proper form, and keeping it to a 30 sec-1 min rest period and claiming that is the thing to do is like saying the Atkins diet works for everyone. I have found that my body responds better to slower reps, ensuring that my muscles stretch and contract properly every time. I rest 1 1/2- 2 min between sets and 2-4 min between workouts depending on weight and intensity. I work two muscle groups a workout, I do my best to target every portion of the muscle while trying to reach every fiber of the muscle, and I do multiple workouts per muscle per muscle group. That is all mixed in with 20-30 min of concentrated ab work before every workout (which is why my morning session is longer than my evening session), 20-30 min of slow/steady cardio before everything to get my mind together and focus on my motivation for that workout, and stretching after easily reaches the 2/12 to 3 hr mark every time I'm in the gym.
Click to expand...

dont believe what the muscle rags / magazines say about how the pros train . even if thats true hes using several grams of gear on top of slin and large amounts of hgh , the amount of training that it takes for him to overtrain is huge compared to what your cycle will allow.
 
I understand that man. But it's like 3DRanger87 said "it's a grunt thing." I have had it drilled into my head that whatever you do, you do until you can't do it anymore. 100mph at all times, so in a sense over training is both normal and inevitable. But I am trying to really cut back on my time with the iron as much as I can. But, how much is really too much?
 
BeauBear21 said:
I understand that man. But it's like 3DRanger87 said "it's a grunt thing." I have had it drilled into my head that whatever you do, you do until you can't do it anymore. 100mph at all times, so in a sense over training is both normal and inevitable. But I am trying to really cut back on my time with the iron as much as I can. But, how much is really too much?
Click to expand...

your way over the limit , you do NOT grow in the gym . 1-2 hours a day maxx with 1-3 off days a week. if you want mass do heavy compound movement with plenty of rest between sets.
 
you want to get big then only lift mon/wed/friday and do a power lifting type routine. you ever wonder why power lifters are so fricking huge?

all they do is bench/squat/row/and deadlift. last winter i put on about 15lbs natty, added almost an inch to my arms and i didn't do a single set of curls for 10 weeks.
 
I'm doing a Power-Building routine. I got the idea from the Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding where Arnold was talking about finding that equilibrium between lifting heavy and getting the max repetitions while still getting stronger (form is still a very key part of the routine, not counting forced reps). I can see what you're saying darkside, but if you look at my routine I really am only working the same muscle group 3 times a week. It's a split routine so I can allow my muscles 30hrs of rest between workouts. I am taking some sups for recovery on-top of drinking more than enough water and my sleep schedule is as good as it can be. I have PTSD so some nights are a little restless but for the most part it's good. But, like Kai Green said, I will never be a weight lifter. It's not just about lifting the weight, if you aren't lifting it properly then all you're doing is getting acquainted with lifting heavier poundage. My routine is designed around me engaging the maximum amount of muscle fibers while gaining strength. While my strength gains aren't as impressive as, say a collegiate power lifter, I'm still increasing my weight for every workout 10%-12% every week.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

I
How to maximize muscle gains and while reducing fat during a steroid cycle
Replies
1
Views
576
Milton
Milton
darkwing86
Need help on cutting cycle losing bf %
Replies
2
Views
2K
BloodSweat&Gear
B
appleton111
How do steroids affect your food diet intake?
Replies
0
Views
1K
appleton111
appleton111
D
Do I need to lower my caloric intake for my cut (TRT)
Replies
3
Views
3K
PixelArchfiend
PixelArchfiend
T
How much test with anavar cycle
Replies
11
Views
4K
casanovaaa
casanovaaa
Back
Top