Keto

rubberduckyo

~DaDawg's L'il Sis~
Allright, ladies. Critique welcome. Here we go.

Been on keto the last week. Lost 8 pounds (water weight I'm sure). My diet is not right and I know it. I sat down the other night and wrote it out. Way too low in fat and too high in protein.

The only drinks I'm allowing is water and diet coke (limited to two a day)

meal 1: 8 oz chicken breast one TBS UDO's
meal 2: whey shake
meal 3: can of tuna- plain
meal 4: whey shake
meal5: chicken, steak, salmon....whatever's on hand
meal 6:handfull of almonds or whatever is on hand

Allowing ZERO carbs Monday through Saturday. Refeed on Sunday with complex carbs headed into the next week.

Suggestions welcome.

In other words HELP! I know I'm not doing this right. I can nail a low carb diet but this is the first time I've tried keto.
 
Mr. dB said:
Are you using ketostix to gauge whether or not you're in ketosis?
No. But don't stand within 2 feet of me. I can taste my own breath. I should own stock in Trident by now. ;)
 
rubberduckyo said:
Allright, ladies. Critique welcome. Here we go.

Been on keto the last week. Lost 8 pounds (water weight I'm sure). My diet is not right and I know it. I sat down the other night and wrote it out. Way too low in fat and too high in protein.

The only drinks I'm allowing is water and diet coke (limited to two a day)

meal 1: 8 oz chicken breast one TBS UDO's
meal 2: whey shake
meal 3: can of tuna- plain
meal 4: whey shake
meal5: chicken, steak, salmon....whatever's on hand
meal 6:handfull of almonds or whatever is on hand

Allowing ZERO carbs Monday through Saturday. Refeed on Sunday with complex carbs headed into the next week.

Suggestions welcome.

In other words HELP! I know I'm not doing this right. I can nail a low carb diet but this is the first time I've tried keto.



Take your maintenance calories. 30% of those should be protein (at least 1G/lb. bodyweight). the rest should be from fats. Of that 70%, about 75% of those should be non-saturated fats (fish oils, flax seed oils, nuts, avocados, etc.). The other 25% can come from McDonalds of you want.



Yeah. Aside from the salmon and the almonds, there is no fat in there at all. That lack of fat is gonna make this keto diet unbearable - and ineffective.
 
the low fat may be causing your aching joints . get some calories from quality fats asap.
 
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STANG 98 said:
Yeah. Aside from the salmon and the almonds, there is no fat in there at all. That lack of fat is gonna make this keto diet unbearable - and ineffective.
So can I up the UDO's and make it work?
 
I agree girl, you need more fat for energy!! are you still standing?

oh and congrats because the longest I could stay in keto was 2 days!
 
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rubberduckyo said:
So can I up the UDO's and make it work?

Of course, but Ducks....you need to get some of that fat from REAL food sources too.....nuts, avocado......
 
DADAWG said:
the low fat may be causing your aching joints . get some calories from quality fats asap.

Listen to the dawg; he's right...from what you showed me, your fat content is way too low...
 
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phoenixphyre said:
Of course, but Ducks....you need to get some of that fat from REAL food sources too.....nuts, avocado......

I'm having whole eggs from time to time. Sheesh! How the heck do I get 70 to 30 fats to protein???
 
Prana said:
I agree girl, you need more fat for energy!! are you still standing?

oh and congrats because the longest I could stay in keto was 2 days!

Massive headaches. Foot and hand cramps almost constantly for the past two days. My knees ACHE!
 
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phoenixphyre said:
Of course, but Ducks....you need to get some of that fat from REAL food sources too.....nuts, avocado......

Phoe....help! I can nail a low carb diet like no one's business. I'm treading new ground here.

How in hell do I get 70 fats to 30 protein???

No matter what way I twist my diet I can't come out to this......
 
high fat diets are comfy. have you ever considered NHE? i really really like it... it's not a keto diet but more of a macronutrient cycle...

and first things first... i really don't think anyone needs to drop cals lower than maintenance on a high fat diet.... because especially with this type of diet, we are not talking about cals in vs cals out - it's not thermodynamics.

parts of this might interest you:
Dr. Atkins is credited with having popularized ketones, and the sticks you buy at the drug store, which when peed upon, turn purplish if ketones are present in the urine. Ketone testing has added a much needed element of suspenseful fascination to the otherwise boring and mundane urinary process. Nonetheless, the significance of ketosis for fat burning is overrated in general; and, specifically, it has limited relevance to the NHE Eating Plan.

The questions I get on this subject fall into two categories. 1) NHE practitioners who test negative; and, therefore, infer that they must be doing something wrong. 2) NHE practitioners who test positive; and, therefore, infer that they must be doing something wrong. Both of these groups are wrong in drawing this conclusion. (Logic suggests that there are two other groups of people who test either positive or negative; and, therefore infer that they are doing everything right. This conclusion, too, is unwarranted, but these folks are less motivated to inquire because they believe based on the results of the ketone test that they are succeeding rather than failing - which may or may not be the case.)

To those who fear ketosis because supposedly it is dangerous (and are not diabetic nor have any other metabolic condition): ketosis is neither the hazardous nor unhealthy condition that the high-carbohydrate folks insist on saying it is.

To those who fear ketosis because they believe that ketosis is a catabolic state: it's not. However, chronic low-carbohydrate consumption, which coincides with ketosis, precludes optimal anabolic hormonal enhancement (see p. 139 of NHE). The NHE Eating Plan is not a "chronic" but rather a "cyclical" low-carbohydrate diet, and it is designed to be more anabolic (and more lipolytic), calorie-for-calorie, than a chronic low or high carbohydrate diet.

To those who covet a grape-colored ketone stick, I have news for you as well:

Just because one IS NOT in ketosis does not mean that one IS NOT burning bodyfat; and just because one IS in ketosis does not mean one IS burning bodyfat.

So what does ketosis mean? The short answer is: that fat is being burned incompletely. The longer answer follows.

Ketones are partially burned fat fragments regularly produced by the liver from fatty acids. They then travel through the bloodstream where they are utilized for energy by most of the body's tissues, especially the heart which burns ketones preferentially. When one is in a fat-burning state and insulin is low, fatty acids are mobilized from adipose tissue in greater quantity. This along with a diet comprised of a higher fat/carb ratio makes more raw material available for the liver to produce ketones. However, it is not the greater mobilization so much as the impaired metabolization of fatty acids that causes ketones to accumulate, and consequently appear in the urine, stool, and breath (the three main avenues by which excess ketones are excreted from the body). By impaired metabolization, I don't mean that the body cannot get all the fatty acids/ketones it needs, but rather that it must break down more fat from food and adipose tissue than it needs (because some of it is literally leaking away). In other words, the fat-burning process becomes less efficient (which is actually good from the standpoint that some fat leaves the body without having to be burned). The reason it becomes less efficient is because, as the saying goes, "fat burns in the flame of carbohydrate."

More specifically, the rate-limiting factor for the burning of fatty acids in the Krebs cycle (which is the main process of cellular metabolism by which macronutrients are converted to energy) is oxaloacetate.

Oxaloacetate is formed from pyruvate which is generated when carbohydrate is broken down. When carbohydrate levels decrease, there is less oxaloacetate available, and thus fewer fatty acids can enter the Krebs cycle. Consequently, more fatty acids are transported to the liver where they are broken down to ketones, some of which are excreted in the urine, thereby causing your ketone stick to darken when you pee on it.

For non-diabetics, long before ketones in the blood rise to a dangerous level, insulin is called forth to exert its anti-lipolytic effect, halting the release of fatty acids from adipose tissue so that the ketones in the blood can be disposed of without more being produced. In a Type I diabetic, who has no anti-lipolytic insulin to counterbalance lipolytic glucagon, fatty acids rush from adipose tissue and food unchecked, and get converted by the liver into ketones at a rate that exceeds the body's energy needs and outstrips the body's capacity to get rid of them. Consequently, the blood level of ketones, which are acidic, escalates to toxic levels causing coma then death if not treated quickly. This is called diabetic ketoacidosis. Notice the word "diabetic"; if that doesn't describe you, "ketoacidosis" doesn't apply to you.

Bottom line: the only thing that a purple ketone stick signifies is that fat is being burned in a low-carb environment. Whether the fat burned derives from bodyfat or food (or a percentage from each) is not evident from the result of a ketone test. And just as the presence of ketones in the urine does not prove that bodyfat is being burned, the absence of ketones in the urine does not prove that bodyfat is not being burned.

One final note: the higher one's muscle/fat body composition ratio, the more difficult it is to turn a ketone stick purple.

http://www.extique.com/askrob0-1.htm

regardless, your refeeds SHOULD be high glycemic... this is why:

Refeeds and Leptin

Refeeds are typically done while cutting; that is, creating a caloric deficit so your body is forced to rely on fat as an energy source. Most people on any low carb diet---i.e. less than 1 gram per pound of bodyweight per day----or implementing any extreme caloric deficit should incorporate a refeed.

Refeeds are used to raise Leptin, refill muscle and liver glycogen, as well as providing sanity release from dieting as your body is temporarily thrown into a state of metabolic balance. Please read Par Deus's first article on Leptin and its benefits:
http://magazine.mindandmuscle.net/m...ID=51&issueID=3

A Quick, Layman’s Explanation of Leptin:

Leptin is considered an anti-starvation/metabolic balance hormone. As your Leptin levels decrease, the signal is sent to inform that your body is going into starvation mode. As your body goes into starvation mode we all know what happens---your fat loss slows down immensely or in some cases to a screeching halt. So in order to kick fat loss into gear again, you need to raise Leptin.

Common sense dictates that the body seeks balance, and if you endeavor to upset that balance---you have to outwit your body. We were built for survival, and unfortunately for the fitness/bodybuilding-oriented folk, “survival” didn’t mean 170 pounds of ripped mass at 6% bodyfat.

I can’t count have many people have asked this the question of why they lost fat after cheating. They have been so good and clean on their diets for weeks and results slowed down, they got frustrated, they cheated and 2 days later woke up lighter and leaner than before the cheat. Main reason right there, they raised Leptin. Raising Leptin levels will give your body the kick-start it needs for the next few days to keep you out of starvation mode as you diet. As long as your body is out of starvation mode, the faster the fat loss, and the less likely you are to lose LBM, while suffering on all counts in the process. Like I said above, this a brief explanation and there is so much info on Leptin so please read Par’s articles for a more detailed and scientific explanation.

Eat Your Way Out of Metabolic Hell

So, now you are probably thinking, "How do I increase Leptin?” Ready for this...........Eat lots of Carbs. I'm not necessarily talking slow burning carbs here either folks. I know, most of you reading this right now are thinking is she talking about? Simple explanation: The way to raise Leptin is to actually spill over into your fat cells.

Yes, I said it, SPILL OVER!! In order to fill your muscle glycogen you need carbs, once your glycogen stores are full, you are now spilling over into your fat cells. 1 Step Backwards for 2 Steps Forward. Remember folks you can't get fat in 1 day. This is not a new method of fat loss either. Bodybuilders are doing this everywhere and with fantastic results. A Refeed Day is NOT and I repeat NOT a cheat day. There are rules to this that should be followed to avoid gaining fat during the refeed

Typically a refeed is done every 4-5 days, although the frequency of the refeeds can be adjusted to suit the person. The lower the caloric deficit you've managed to create, and the lower your BF%, the more often you should refeed. Why? Because your leptin levels plummet as your calories drop and your bodyfat decreases; remember, we want to stay out of starvation mode.

How do you know when you should refeed more often, or less often? Unfortunately, it’s a personal process of trial and error; no two people are alike, and the general refeed plan is just that---general. If you find yourself constantly obsessed with food, and if you’re losing a significant amount of muscle and strength, you may have to refeed more often (perhaps every 2 to 3 days).

A refeed may also be shorter or longer in duration. For instance, some prefer to refeed for 24 hours, in which case they may consume anywhere from 25 to 50% above their maintenance caloric intake. For shorter refeeds, such as those that last for 6 to 10 hours, people often do not count their calories; rather, they pack down as much as they can within the designated time-frame to ensure that their fat cells have a hefty bag of new fuel to stoke the metabolic furnace with.

Appropriate Foods For a Refeed

During your refeed, you should aim for around 1G of protein per Pound of body weight, keeping your sources of fat to a minimum, so you are only taking the fats that are in your proteins and carbs. Now, here is the fun part: CARBS! Yes, lots and lots and lots of carbs. Not necessarily brown rice, sweet potatoes and oats here either:

Bagels
Pasta
Rice
Bread
Cereal
FF/SF Ice Cream
Pancakes
Waffles
Crackers

Yes, all the things we crave If its low fat or fat free, have at it! Remember, no additional fats.

You should keep fructose to a minimum though. Sticking to 50-100G [for fructose, probably lower, like 25%] for the day is plenty. Remember sucrose is 50% glucose and 50% fructose so seeing that we need to watch our fructose, staying away from sucrose (table sugar) is probably best. Yes, in order to elevate our levels of leptin, we want to spill over muscle, not liver glycogen.

Wrapping It Up---For Now

Now, don't bother stepping on the scale the next day---you will be heavier. Remember, carbs make you hold water but in a day or two it will be all gone and your body will burning fat like mad again.

Some of you being scared of other carb sources may opt to refeed with slow burning carbs and that's fine. Just keep in mind its going to take a hell of alot more oatmeal to raise Leptin than 1 bowl full, and if you’re doing a relatively short refeed, you may want to reconsider your food choices; a short refeed absolutely requires a drastic increase in your calories, as well as the consumption of refined carb sources.

The fiber in the slow burning carbs can be counter-productive when trying to raise leptin, that's why we use refined carbs. Refined carbs raise Leptin much quicker and you won't feel like a stuffed pig all day for having to eat 3C of oats to equal what 1 bagel could have done. And for those of you who are scared, it’s up to you to look at the entire picture, especially in light of how the body seeks balance. Then, if you truly understand the issue, you will no longer fear the calculated nature of a refeed, even if it requires you to consume those foods that are typically----at least in your mind----forbidden.

Anyone carb cycling does not need to follow this refeed. Reason being is because the carb cycling diet uses the High Carb days (every 2 days) to raise Leptin.

I plan on adding more to this as I go. This is just the beginning.

I'd like to thank Dante for his edit's to this write up.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=25250


ok sorry for all the quoting... i just find that to post the source is more benefical and comprehensive. back to our regularly scheduled program.... :)
 
try to choose foods that are high in either MCTs or high in monounsaturated fats, but i wouldn't shoot myself over some bacon. :)

i recommend you get at least 20g of fibre in daily and supp with 6g of salmon oil.

aim for at least 65f 30p 5c

below is a list of things i eat:

chicken breast
evopro/muscle milk
mozzarella
goat cheese
bacon
feta
olive oil
coconut milk
butter
eggs
avocado
almonds
natural peanut butter

if i'm desperate i get a whopper with no bun or ketchup.

:)
 
sparklylegwarmers said:
try to choose foods that are high in either MCTs or high in monounsaturated fats, but i wouldn't shoot myself over some bacon. :)

i recommend you get at least 20g of fibre in daily and supp with 6g of salmon oil.

aim for at least 65f 30p 5c

below is a list of things i eat:

chicken breast
evopro/muscle milk
mozzarella
goat cheese
bacon
feta
olive oil
coconut milk
butter
eggs
avocado
almonds
natural peanut butter

if i'm desperate i get a whopper with no bun or ketchup.

:)
I can't have the muscle milk, mozza, goat cheese, feta, cocnut milk ot butter on keto as they all have lactose.

The rest is good and thanks for the list.
 
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