kind of carb to take after insulin shot?

[gocholympia]

hello everyone again well i have been reading for a while and as most of us already know we have to take 10g of carbs per 1ui of insulin. now i just found that aparently simple and complex carbs like plantain, oats, yams or sweet potatoes right after the slin shot maybe wont be fast enought so we dont want that. so what you guys think i should take after the slin shot ? gatorade is a good option ? for example if i take 6ui post workout i can drink 2 gatorades (the ones here at my country bring 30g of carbs aparently (dextrose) per 500ml so with 2 gatorades i would cover the 60g of carbs i need after my slin shot all that with my protein food (eggwhites) cuz are fast acting protein. and 2h after the slin shot i have to eat a normal meal with normal carbs and low in fat high in protein right ? doing that i can be okay ?. another drink that i can have if i dont want to use gatorade what can work ? by the way my diet is usually low in carbs (no more that 250g per day) or my bf will rise. im taking the slin with my AAS and going to use between 25-50mcg of t3 to keep my bf low.

sorry for my bad english!

i need ideas for the kind of carb that i can use right after the slin shot pls! here at my country i cant find dextrose powder!

 

[Mountain-Man]

I drink 100 g of dextrose with 100 g whey then 30 min later a low fat high carb protein meal

 

[SoHo]

if you dont know know the answer to this, you shouldnt even be fucking with insulin. there are literally hundreds of guides and forum posts just like this one all over boards.

next you'll be posting on here asking, "hey i think im going hypo! what are the symptoms??!!!"

 

[Milton]

Bienvenido a nuestros forums! Espero que puedas conseguir toda la informacion que te pueda ayudar para que puedas lograr tus metas.

 

[gocholympia]

I drink 100 g of dextrose with 100 g whey then 30 min later a low fat high carb protein meal

well i have been looking but i cant find here dextrose, something like for example im shoting 5ui post workout gatorade could work ? or something like raw sugar ? 50g of sugar with my protein ? or what else i can use. ?

 

[gocholympia]

if you dont know know the answer to this, you shouldnt even be fucking with insulin. there are literally hundreds of guides and forum posts just like this one all over boards.

next you'll be posting on here asking, "hey i think im going hypo! what are the symptoms??!!!"

no bro, i have been reading and researching for like 4 months about insulin and how to use it but everyone says that i have to take dextrose cuz is the best option after the slin shot but here over my country i cant get some raw dextrose, i can get gatorade that got 30g of carb per 500ml (dextrose) so if im using 6uis ill have to take 2 gatorades with my protein and 1h later a complete meal low in fats. but i want to know another carb obtion diferent than dextrose

 

[gocholympia]

Bienvenido a nuestros forums! Espero que puedas conseguir toda la informacion que te pueda ayudar para que puedas lograr tus metas.

Hola muchas gracias! podemos hablar en privado ?

 

[gocholympia]

I drink 100 g of dextrose with 100 g whey then 30 min later a low fat high carb protein meal

or what u think about cell tech ? i know is a bad creatine but it got plenty of dextrose (like 70g carbs per serving) so it could work after slin shot plus my protein ?

 

[Teutonic]

Milt,
He approached me in private too and I indicated
A- Ich wises nix mit was mann tut mit insulinen. ( I do not know what to do w insulin...Allemanea
mi Amigos )
B- His other doses were way up..redundant test s and to short on eq...why fuck w pancreas too
c- Keep in the open forum s. U ll get more input.

I wish u well..no offense on the friend offer..I got enuff.

 

[blakey]

Hey brother your english is great you can go to bulknutrients.com and buy any rapidly absorbed carbs you want in bulk dextrose maltodextrin ect all in bulk 5 kgs for about 50 Australia $ and they ship world wide and have some of the best tasting proteins ive everhad aswell worth a look

 

[halfwit]

Fast acting glucose sources are only needed if you're hypoglycemic. If doses of insulin are appropriate for the carbs consumed, it doesn't matter to any great extent. In fact, just consuming empty calories to prevent hypoglycemia may have the OPPOSITE effect desired, as they're in - then out of your system while the insulin is still peaking.

Complex carbs are actually the best means (and best nutritional value) here to aid with the goals sought after. I still am of the firm belief that you don't need insulin OP, but I do like how you're at least reading up on the topic.

FYI: Insulin takes up to 30 minutes to reach serum levels from an injection, and can last for several hours. This is WILDLY different from the stuff your pancreas makes, and they DO stack. So, please be careful.

 

[gocholympia]

Fast acting glucose sources are only needed if you're hypoglycemic. If doses of insulin are appropriate for the carbs consumed, it doesn't matter to any great extent. In fact, just consuming empty calories to prevent hypoglycemia may have the OPPOSITE effect desired, as they're in - then out of your system while the insulin is still peaking.

Complex carbs are actually the best means (and best nutritional value) here to aid with the goals sought after. I still am of the firm belief that you don't need insulin OP, but I do like how you're at least reading up on the topic.

FYI: Insulin takes up to 30 minutes to reach serum levels from an injection, and can last for several hours. This is WILDLY different from the stuff your pancreas makes, and they DO stack. So, please be careful.

i got it but what i have been reading well... most of the guides about slin in bodybuilding and protocols say that right after u shot ur slin pwo u have and u need to take the 10g of carbs per each ui of slin that u shot and those carbs have to be preaty fast (high GI) so they will get as fast as u need into ur bloodstream so maybe thats why most of the guides tell u to take dextrose with ur protein after the slin shot and then after an hour eat again.

but well theres alot of info around. so what u trying to tell me is that any carb for example if i take right after the slin shot oats with my protein ill be fine ? for example if i shot 6ui ill have to eat about 100g of oats thats about 63g carbs. but well oats are slow (complex) maybe would be a great choise but for the meal 1h after the slin shot what do you think ?

i know that u dont want me to take slin. but i want to know how to do it in a perfect way and i feel like even with all the info around internet is not enought.

mi real question is, if i cant get the dextrose, what kind of carbs i can also use after the slin shot ? gatorade is fine ? or even something like oats ? or rice or it have to be always something preaty fast like the dextrose or something with sugar on it like a no natural juice or even a soda.

i was reading that corn syrope or even honey would work great. there´s 80g carbs(sugar) in 100g of honey and most of it is dextrose and fructose. i know that fructose is not as fast as dextrose is but maybe it can work too ?

i aprecciate every coment and the help of yall guys!

and again im sorry for my bad english i feel that i write like a 4 years old kid haha.

 

[gocholympia]

Hey brother your english is great you can go to bulknutrients.com and buy any rapidly absorbed carbs you want in bulk dextrose maltodextrin ect all in bulk 5 kgs for about 50 Australia $ and they ship world wide and have some of the best tasting proteins ive everhad aswell worth a look

oh i see man but the problem here at my country is that we just cant have dollars here´s no dollars because of our shitty goverment so get online stuff with $ is imposible at this moment

 

[halfwit]

i got it but what i have been riing well... most of the guides about slin in bodybuilding and protocols say that right after u shot ur slin pwo u have and u need to take the 10g of carbs per each ui of slin that u shot and those carbs have to be preaty fast (high GI) so they will get as fast as u need into ur bloodstream so maybe thats why most of the guides tell u to take dextrose with ur protein after the slin shot and then after an hour eat again.

but well theres alot of info around. so what u trying to tell me is that any carb for example if i take right after the slin shot oats with my protein ill be fine ? for example if i shot 6ui ill have to eat about 100g of oats thats about 63g carbs. but well oats are slow (complex) maybe would be a great choise but for the meal 1h after the slin shot what do you think ?

i know that u dont want me to take slin. but i want to know how to do it in a perfect way and i feel like even with all the info around internet is not enought.

mi real question is, if i cant get the dextrose, what kind of carbs i can also use after the slin shot ? gatorade is fine ? or even something like oats ? or rice or it have to be always something preaty fast like the dextrose or something with sugar on it like a no natural juice or even a soda.

i was reading that corn syrope or even honey would work great. there´s 80g carbs(sugar) in 100g of honey and most of it is dextrose and fructose. i know that fructose is not as fast as dextrose is but maybe it can work too ?

i aprecciate every coment and the help of yall guys!

and again im sorry for my bad english i feel that i write like a 4 years old kid haha.

I'm not sure exactly where the idea comes from that simple sugars (monoglycerides) are needed, but I suspect it's from people reading how diabetics (like me) have to take them to counteract an insulin overdose (hypoglycemia). It's also maybe from the belief that a spike in sugar will justify to the body the extra release of insulin (it doesn't know it's from an injection).

Oats are a fine source of carbs, just as are the others (Gatorade is very LOW in sugar btw), and I would be very surprised if you went hypo eating rice or any other complex sugar. The reason many don't know the difference is because they simply don't take enough insulin.

I take over 130iu per day (insulin resistant diabetic), and while I do see a benefit while bulking (I have to increase slin to meet the high level of carbs/cals), I only run into issues if I consume something I shouldn't - like candy or a dessert, which require insulin for me because of the disease. (by itself, like a trip to dairy queen)

While I would much rather provide links to studies and endocrinology journals explaining things, I'm sitting in a movie theater, waiting for the movie to start, so I'll try to give a real world example that might make sense. Think of it this way, when you eat a great deal of sugary foods (platanos, dulce, arroz con azucar - bananas/candies/sugared rice for the non Spanish speakers), you feel a "high" or "rush" from all those calories jumping into your system. Then, shortly after, you may feel ill, followed by a crash. That's because your body has already put the sugars (simple) to use, and now you're experiencing a mild case of LOW blood sugar - also known as hypoglycemia. It's just not to the same degree as what injections can put you at, but hopefully that explains it in easier terms?

For the TL;DR: Complex carbs are the best source of nutrients and give the best smooth response to insulin. These are great for dieting, and are safe with APPROPRIATE insulin doses (you may need 20-30g of carbs per iu. ). Fast acting sugars are for when you take too much, and need to quickly bring your blood sugar levels back up from crashing.

 

[blakey]

Ah fair enough brother . Yea my misses is type 1 diabetic i was going to run some slin but it all seems to complicated for this simple guy haha . Are steroids legal in your part of the world ??

 

[gocholympia]

Ah fair enough brother . Yea my misses is type 1 diabetic i was going to run some slin but it all seems to complicated for this simple guy haha . Are steroids legal in your part of the world ??

well bro here is legal and easy to get things like equipoise, test propionate from veterinary stores and pct drugs and polysteron and deca are legal and easy to get from pharma but right now because the country become shit u wont get nothing at the pharmacy u gotta buy to guys that re-sell the stuff like 20 times expensive than the original price but is still good.

 

[gocholympia]

I'm not sure exactly where the idea comes from that simple sugars (monoglycerides) are needed, but I suspect it's from people reading how diabetics (like me) have to take them to counteract an insulin overdose (hypoglycemia). It's also maybe from the belief that a spike in sugar will justify to the body the extra release of insulin (it doesn't know it's from an injection).

Oats are a fine source of carbs, just as are the others (Gatorade is very LOW in sugar btw), and I would be very surprised if you went hypo eating rice or any other complex sugar. The reason many don't know the difference is because they simply don't take enough insulin.

I take over 130iu per day (insulin resistant diabetic), and while I do see a benefit while bulking (I have to increase slin to meet the high level of carbs/cals), I only run into issues if I consume something I shouldn't - like candy or a dessert, which require insulin for me because of the disease. (by itself, like a trip to dairy queen)

While I would much rather provide links to studies and endocrinology journals explaining things, I'm sitting in a movie theater, waiting for the movie to start, so I'll try to give a real world example that might make sense. Think of it this way, when you eat a great deal of sugary foods (platanos, dulce, arroz con azucar - bananas/candies/sugared rice for the non Spanish speakers), you feel a "high" or "rush" from all those calories jumping into your system. Then, shortly after, you may feel ill, followed by a crash. That's because your body has already put the sugars (simple) to use, and now you're experiencing a mild case of LOW blood sugar - also known as hypoglycemia. It's just not to the same degree as what injections can put you at, but hopefully that explains it in easier terms?

For the TL;DR: Complex carbs are the best source of nutrients and give the best smooth response to insulin. These are great for dieting, and are safe with APPROPRIATE insulin doses ( may need 20-30g of carbs per iu. ). Fast acting sugars are for when you take too much, and need to quickly bring your blood sugar levels back up from crashing.

i see bro, but it is diferent when u are going to use insulin and u are not diabetic and well according with what i have been reading in the web the idea of taking a fast acting carb is for dont go hypo after the shot and then 1 after that yeah u have to eat a meal with complex carbs with protein too and then 2h and a half later another meal with the same complex carbs and protein.

yeah i know complex carbs are the best i only eat oats and sweet potatoes. but aparently for the non diabetic insuline users aiming for use it as an anabolic you have to take those high glycemic and fast absorbing carbs like 5 mins after u shot the insuline. its like the protocol you know. and thats my question what else i can use besides dextrose that aparently dextrose is the faster absorbing sugar and maybe thats why most of the guides tell you to use that as ur slin protocol.

 

[halfwit]

Links to outside forums don't work usually, and are frowned upon here. However, I did find the main article and the author not only calls it the "most anabolic thing you can use", but spreads more commonly used bro-science in his "insulin 101" guide.

I can't fault the guy, heck - we use many common elements from bro-science still, like twelve week cycles (there's really no reason for it other than that's just how it's been) or even the belief that test has a magic ratio with deca (it's estradiol and prolactin that determines sides). Add to the fact that the author DOES have some decent information, and I can see why you would be confused on what to believe.

This is also why I strongly discourage people from using insulin unless they NEED it to grow. There's just far too much misinformation, and none of us that do know how to use it want to be responsible for someone killing themselves because they don't know the difference between 3iu and 3cc.

This is why I suggest that if you insist on using insulin to start VERY small, and find where your body reacts best. In all honesty, I can't see anyone NOT going hypoglycemic at least a few times while learning; I did, and I have to use it to live - so it becomes a matter of being prepared with what to do when it happens.

 

[halfwit]

i see bro, but it is diferent when u are going to use insulin and u are not diabetic and well according with what i have been reading in the web the idea of taking a fast acting carb is for dont go hypo after the shot and then 1 after that yeah u have to eat a meal with complex carbs with protein too and then 2h and a half later another meal with the same complex carbs and protein.

yeah i know complex carbs are the best i only eat oats and sweet potatoes. but aparently for the non diabetic insuline users aiming for use it as an anabolic you have to take those high glycemic and fast absorbing carbs like 5 mins after u shot the insuline. its like the protocol you know. and thats my question what else i can use besides dextrose that aparently dextrose is the faster absorbing sugar and maybe thats why most of the guides tell you to use that as ur slin protocol.

As you changed your post (understandable because of the link), which I respect, I'm going to lay this out for you one more time. Lo siento, no se como se decir todas las palabras en El Español por explicando esa sujecto, y por que este es un lugar publico por la gente Ingles - es mejor que uso Ingles. (yes, my Spanish is quite rusty)

It is untrue, regardless of what your insulin resistance is that simple sugars are needed. The big difference between a diabetic and non-diabetic is simply the DOSE.

I can die just as easily as you, but the big difference is that I can die if I DON'T take the insulin. You don't have to worry about not taking enough insulin, I do. Other than those differences, the food consumed is the same.

HOWEVER, if you want to consume an extra 200 calories of sugar because bro-fessionals on the Internet have convinced you that you'll die (it's to cover their asses), please do so.

To answer your question directly, there's NO DIFFERENCE between dextrose, sucrose, fructose (orange juice is a "rescue sugar"), and straight up glucose for your purposes.

 

[blakey]

Ahh i was thinking of using slin with a test e cycle but my partner who is a type 1 diabetic got fairly angry when i told her i have a fridge full of levemir and novorapid flexpens after reading this thread im considering giving it a go