legit low Test and Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) at 24 + finaplix?

[yungchiz]

legit low Test and HRT at 24 + finaplix?

Hi everyone I'm 24 and just began HRT in Jan from low Test levels in 150s, not from steroid use. Probably hereditary and/or diet related or some crap.

So my first Rx is the MINIMUM possible at 5g androgel/day. I run thru my 30-day supply as soon as my insurance lets me pickup another, so I go thru it in 25-30 days probably.

After 3 mo. on androgel my Test reads:
TOTAL: 700s
FREE% 2.4%/1.5-2.2
FREE 170/35-155.0

which is "normal", so I'm stuck with this minimum rx right now. What if I lose some gel on the floor or worse, a bottle? Then I'm screwed. That and it looks like androgel is not the greatest testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) out there makes me wanna add a little something extra to this "cycle" i.e. finaplix.

It sounds like HRT is permanent, for life which is cool with me. Has anyone heard of drs taking people off of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for some reason?

I bought the DMSO and Finaplix-H already and have started to go transdermal with it. I'm timing the androgel separate from the finaplix to hold my androgen levels constant. I don't know if that's correct thinking. I apply it on my forearms since that's where I've got vascularity and it's easy to get the clear wrap on it. I'm starting off with 6 pellets/day.

• would doing DMSO + androgel + finaplix once would get better absorption since androGEL is a transdermal already?
• Any suggestions on what I should do?
• What's the max length of a fina cycle on TRT?
• How many pellets to see gains without sides on TRT?
• Has anyone done this cycle?
• any recommendations on a better transdermal TRT?

thanks

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

transdermal tren? thats a first for me bro

 

[yungchiz]

hehe he

live and learn..

 

[Deepsouth]

we used to do transdermal when we were scared of pinz. You really don't want to use it that way- DMSO transfers everything and I mean EVERYTHING straight into the bloodstream. That means not only what you have touched and thats on your hands laready, but all the binders and junk in the tabs. You don't want that crap in your bloodstream. If you want to shoot Tren-man up and convert it right and pin it. NOw that being said- if you haven't had 5-8 good cycles under your belt- you need not be messing with Tren- its very harsh and definatelty not for the beginner. Why not stick to something golden like Test/EQ or Test/Deca??

 

[yungchiz]

i hear ya, but i don't exactly have access to any sources right now to do anything golden, so i'll take what i can get legally. besides, i already bought the DMSO and finaplix already. the androgel is rx so that's a given. i was just looking for how to make the most outta what i got here.

right now i'm just dropping both the the the DMSO + 6-8 finaplix pellets + androgel on wherever there's a vascular site. androgel and finaplix are already kinda stable transdermals from what i understand, so they can be done 1x daily no problem.

 

[yungchiz]

hey deepsouth, it turns out that the finaplix+DMSO+androgel stack f-ed me up good. cycle aborted.

i'll be getting my injectable supplies here any day now and try the convert+pin method. supplies cost more than the f-ing tren itself!

 

[koala]

yungchiz, you think that's bad? I'm 25 and have legit low test also (250 -- never used steroids)...my doc put me on ONE PUMP of androgel. I have an appt with him in a week to see what that is all about and try to get a switch to test cyp.

 

[yungchiz]

yungchiz, you think that's bad? I'm 25 and have legit low test also (250 -- never used steroids)...my doc put me on ONE PUMP of androgel. I have an appt with him in a week to see what that is all about and try to get a switch to test cyp.

whoa wtf that's bad. How many labs did your doc make you go thru to "prove" you have legit low T? Because it almost sounds like your doc has the attitude of so many, that prescribing any kind of worthwhile HRT is "wrong" or "dangerous". You lift and it shows, I assume? I wonder how these same docs react when they're prescribing you estrogen instead.

I got the same runaround from docs like that for the longest time and dropped each and every one of those fuckers.

That said, if your labs are showing reasonable T levels on that 1x pump somehow, then I could understand why your doc's first reaction is to keep you in the normal range, 'cause the numbers don't justify a higher Rx. That's sorta where I'm at.

 

[edogger]

Definetely get some injectable test for your trt. Now if youre gonna add finaplix, its not testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) anymore, its a cycle and you should treat it as such. Ive been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for 2 years and been cycling in fina on and off the whole time. I made the mistake of not using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for the past year and it caught up to me. When i finished my last cycle in january i crashed hard because i was so shut down. I literally felt like shit if i missed my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) shot by 1 day( i use test prop and do 3 subq injections of 50mg 3x a week). So ive been on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and hmg for the last 3 weeks and its helped tremendously. Alot of people dont realize that when youre on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), your body is still producing some test naturally. Not a ton, but some. but when you cycle without hcg, you will eventually shut the whole thing down.

So if youre gonna run the tren, get some hcg.

 

[koala]

whoa wtf that's bad. How many labs did your doc make you go thru to "prove" you have legit low T? Because it almost sounds like your doc has the attitude of so many, that prescribing any kind of worthwhile HRT is "wrong" or "dangerous". You lift and it shows, I assume? I wonder how these same docs react when they're prescribing you estrogen instead.

I got the same runaround from docs like that for the longest time and dropped each and every one of those fuckers.

That said, if your labs are showing reasonable T levels on that 1x pump somehow, then I could understand why your doc's first reaction is to keep you in the normal range, 'cause the numbers don't justify a higher Rx. That's sorta where I'm at.

Well, thankfully I only had to do one test before he prescribed it, but that's because I don't lift and I definitely don't look like I do. But still, one pump a day? Even the literature that comes with it says to start with 4.

I've only been on it a week or so, but I'm sure that the one pump isn't going to do anything. So far I feel zero difference. I am going in next week to try to get switched to test cyp.

 

[yungchiz]

Thanks for the info edogger. How did you get the rx for cypionate, I mean, did you just straight out ask your Dr for it? i.e. "this androgel is rubbing off on other people so...can I get a Rx for cypionate instead?"

@koala
this is just me, but if I were you I might "forget" to take the gel 24 hrs from the next lab.

 

[yungchiz]

I got my conversion supplies in the mail from rui on Sat, and now my "cycle" has just changed ( I got a Rx from my Dr for Testim):

50mg testosterone via Testim gel
50-60mg trenbolone via finaplix-h (approx 2600mg/45mL)

I got a couple of injection questions for anyone experienced with injections, including testosterone. I'm not sure I'm getting my injections right. I'm around 69kg, BMI 22 and don't carry a lot of muscle. If quads are my inject site, I can only go about 1/3 way in on a 1.5" needle before it starts to feel like I'm close to bone. I read you're supposed to go 1/2 way in, so I'm worried the tren never really makes it in the system and gets wasted. How deep do you need to go to get most of the tren in without wasting it? Is it possible to get away with subQ and still get most of the tren?