Letro, Prami, and Test E

[Live2Train]

How many of you think it's ok to take all of these compounds at the same time? Of course the Letro and Prami is to cure the small gyno that I have and I decided to keep running my test at 500 mg per week. I did drop my drol and deca though.

 

[TheMilkMan]

You're running Test with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and something to suppress progesterone... There's nothing wrong with that. When did you drop the Deca??? I'd bet when that clears your system you could drop the Prami and have no issues with gyno.

Make sure your Letro dose is in check though. That shit dries out my joints like nobodies business.

 

[Live2Train]

Thanks for the response bro! I dropped the Deca about a week and a half ago, but am still waiting on the dam Prami to get here from Research. The Letro has really done nothing, so I'm hoping the Prami will kick this shit and the fact that I stopped the Deca and Drol. I can't wait to get my Prami and see what happens because I'm sick of this sore puffy ass crap. The lump is about the size of a pea or just a tad bigger, so I hope it helps.

 

[ballweight]

I wouldnt run both of them personally, it is overkill. Anything that prami can do letro will be able to do better. If you are talking about progestoeron levels, letro also lowers that so what is your reasoning?

 

[Live2Train]

My reasoning is Letro doesn't seem to be doing shit, and blue at AF said when he added the Prami that it cleared his gyno up from a grape sized lump. I questioned Chemone on their product, but they assured me it was legit, so I am hoping the Prami will do the job. Maybe I'm just nuts and have no clue as to what the heck I'm doing, I'm just going by what others have had great experiences with and hoping to achieve the same outcome as they have.

 

[Juice Authority]

How many of you think it's ok to take all of these compounds at the same time? Of course the Letro and Prami is to cure the small gyno that I have and I decided to keep running my test at 500 mg per week. I did drop my drol and deca though.

Prami is used to lower prolactin levels from Deca or Tren. Not sure why you would run it with Test E and letro is pretty potent. You want some circulating estrogen in your body and letro kills it all along with you libido. Estrogen is your friend.

 

[TheMilkMan]

I'd bet that by the time the Prami comes in, the Deca will be cleared and the gyno will have subsided. If this doesn't happen, use it and drop it when the gyno is gone.

I have had many experiences with ChemOne and they have ALL been positive. They are a stand up company IMO.

 

[Juice Authority]

I'd bet that by the time the Prami comes in, the Deca will be cleared and the gyno will have subsided. If this doesn't happen, use it and drop it when the gyno is gone.

I have had many experiences with ChemOne and they have ALL been positive. They are a stand up company IMO.

Agree with the above. Most people don't even mess w/prami, bromo or caber on deca alone. Then again, most sensible people don't run Deca that high either. Sure, it increases progesterone by raising prolactin levels but not enough to cause progesterone related gyno 'for most' on a moderate dose (450mgs/wk).

Deca is a progestin but Tren tends to send prolactin levels through the roof. I personally think the gyno is estrogen related from the dbol or test e. Letro is too strong. Why not start with some like arimidex and nolva until the symptoms subside? Dropping dbol was a good start.

 

[Live2Train]

The whole thing is my dumb ass doesn't even know what caused the gyno in the first place. I got it after coming off of my last cycle. I ran 6 weeks of havoc after my last cycle and then ran clomid for 3 weeks and didn't even get any symptoms until just before starting a new cycle, and then I didn't know what was really happening that's the only reason I started a new cycle. As soon as I knew it was gyno is when I kicked the Dbol and Deca. I guess I am just pissing my money in the wind by using the Prami, but I want to try everything that I can in hopes of ridding the gyno without surgery.

I have had it now for almost a month and the Letro isn't doing crap for it. I figured Prami was my only other option at this point, but then again I don't know enough about this side of the AAS game. I should have just spend the money and ran an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with my last cycle. I just figured like a fool that since I didn't use one with my first cycle and nothing happened that I was not sensitive enough to gyno to worry about it. Dam how was I wrong! I am going to still try the prami when it comes in on Wednesday and see what happens.

 

[TheMilkMan]

Live2Train... 2 problems here.

#1. You used a designer steroid. The problem with them is that they're not tried and tested and when things go wrong people don't know what the fuck to do. IMO stick with the basics and you'll be better off.

#2. Unless I miss read, you make it seem as if you introduced more than one compound at a time with your Test/Deca/DBol cycle??? There's another HUGE mistake. You need to introduce one steroid at a time and see how you react to it.

 

[Live2Train]

Bro you are absolutely right and I will admit to it 110%. I should have said screw the Havoc if I was already using real gear. Also, I should have never used more than one compound before knowing how my body reacts to just one at a time first. I did run a Test E and Deca cycle and didn't use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and was totally fine. This was the first time that I used Dbol though, and maybe that is what has me fucked up here.

I guess I will just have to hope I can get rid of this gyno and stick to the basics from now on. I tried jumping too far ahead of myself in hopes of bigger and better gains which is a crock of shit. If I can't get rid of it, it sure will be one hell of an expensive and painful lesson that I have learned. I just pray this shit subsides without having to have surgery.

 

[mdam420]

I wouldnt run both of them personally, it is overkill. Anything that prami can do letro will be able to do better. If you are talking about progestoeron levels, letro also lowers that so what is your reasoning?

i am pretty sure thats just plain wrongness. letro and prami are totally different animals. and neither of them lowers progesterone levels. letro does lower progesterone receptor expression because it lowers estrogen, but that does not mean it lowers progesterone. I am also pretty certain that Mac and ulter reccomend using prami and letro/exem together for gyno.

you should read some of the threads over on afboard.

 

[mdam420]

Agree with the above. Most people don't even mess w/prami, bromo or caber on deca alone. Then again, most sensible people don't run Deca that high either. Sure, it increases progesterone by raising prolactin levels but not enough to cause progesterone related gyno 'for most' on a moderate dose (450mgs/wk).

Deca is a progestin but Tren tends to send prolactin levels through the roof. I personally think the gyno is estrogen related from the dbol or test e. Letro is too strong. Why not start with some like arimidex and nolva until the symptoms subside? Dropping dbol was a good start.

from what I have been reading, progesterone itself is not really the issue. and while these issues often stem from using progestins, its more about progestin/androgen effects on dopamine and dopamine receptors which lead to prolactin issues. Though there may also be issues that progestins and progesterone suppression have on both dopamine receptors and gyno tissue directly because of thier impact on prolactin and prolactin receptors. Though thats just my reading of the arguments that I have seen presented.

 

[Live2Train]

i am pretty sure thats just plain wrongness. letro and prami are totally different animals. and neither of them lowers progesterone levels. letro does lower progesterone receptor expression because it lowers estrogen, but that does not mean it lowers progesterone. I am also pretty certain that Mac and ulter reccomend using prami and letro/exem together for gyno.

you should read some of the threads over on afboard.

I'm glad to hear this! It's pretty much what I have been reading over at AF as well. They have a few guys over there that seem to have gotten rid of some decent sized gyno over there by using a Letro/Prami combo. Hopefully it works for me as well.

 

[mdam420]

I'm glad to hear this! It's pretty much what I have been reading over at AF as well. They have a few guys over there that seem to have gotten rid of some decent sized gyno over there by using a Letro/Prami combo. Hopefully it works for me as well.

there are quite a few people on bb.com using letrozole or exemestane with prami with good regression of their gyno.

 

[Crazy23]

What happened then mate did u get rid