LH/FSH Levels on High Natty T guys..........

[Alpin]

I'm curious to know where someone's LH/FSH levels would be if they have higher levels of natural T (let say 800 ng/dl T.T.), would they be in the mid range, or low normal range ?
I'm sure we all know what High LH/FSH levels with Low Total T means and what secondary Hypogonadal means in terms of LH/FSH.
But I haven't seen where pituitary hormones would be in high natty T guys....
anyone know ?

 

[Daniel_IMT_Staff]

Everybody is different and leydig cell responsiveness will affect T levels regardless of LH.

Primary/secondary hypogonadism are two different diagnosis. Most patients will have a "hybrid" of sorts as there are so many variables that have an effect on T levels.

 

[Alpin]

thanks or reply Daniel...
Do the leydig cells "die" as men age? let's say mid 30's and on ?
Is being on TRT for a period of time(without HCG for 2.5 years) enough to damage/kill the leydig cells in testes?

 

[Daniel_IMT_Staff]

No, they won't die. But they atrophy on a cellular level as they have not been activated. It just makes the recovery process lengthier.

 

[Alpin]

No, they won't die. But they atrophy on a cellular level as they have not been activated. It just makes the recovery process lengthier.

Thanks Daniel.
Have you or your establishment had a high rate of success getting the recovery process going in situations like this ?

 

[Daniel_IMT_Staff]

Yes, it has a extremely high success rate!

A lot of people have IMT to thanks for conceiving children!

 

[Alpin]

Yes, it has a extremely high success rate!

A lot of people have IMT to thanks for conceiving children!

Good to hear Daniel. What optimal T levels have you been able to get the bulk of your patients "restarted" to?
How long do they stay at that desired level ?

 

[Daniel_IMT_Staff]

This as well is very individual! There are some interesting drugs being studied now as well to try to help low LH/FSH.

Levels will not exceed baseline, but most come close to your original T levels. Keep in mind that T levels decline with age as well. In your example Apollon, hCG would be used for a longer duration!

 

[Black Beard]

Exactly what Daniel said. One guy's testes might respond more to smaller amounts of LH/FSH and vice versa. This can vary a lot.

Hey Daniel, got examples of those drugs?

 

[ASAP]

Op I'm 23 and my lh is 2.5 and my doc said a normal 23 year old should have a lh level of 9

 

[Black Beard]

Is your T abnormal as well?

 

[Daniel_IMT_Staff]

Exactly what Daniel said. One guy's testes might respond more to smaller amounts of LH/FSH and vice versa. This can vary a lot.

Hey Daniel, got examples of those drugs?

It's a class of drugs called GnRH agonists, such as Triptorelin. Basically forces your pituitary to release LH/FSH but these drugs are in the infant stage of being tested. A very interesting area, if you have a understanding of how hCG has an effect on your Testes(testosterone production), it is the same on the pituitary but for LH/FSH.

I haven't heard of any of its use clinically, but there may be discoveries in the future of this sort.

Gonadotropin-releasing hormone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, there is a lot of research to be done on these drugs still! Just saying that it is interesting

 

[Alpin]

Op I'm 23 and my lh is 2.5 and my doc said a normal 23 year old should have a lh level of 9

did you ask the doc with what T level he felt would be appropriate to match this LH level of 9 ?

 

[ASAP]

Is your T abnormal as well?

Yes it is.

did you ask the doc with what T level he felt would be appropriate to match this LH level of 9 ?

Yes high normal is all he said

 

[Alpin]

Yes it is.


Yes high normal is all he said

how bout FSH did you ask ?

 

[Black Beard]

It's a class of drugs called GnRH agonists, such as Triptorelin. Basically forces your pituitary to release LH/FSH but these drugs are in the infant stage of being tested. A very interesting area, if you have a understanding of how hCG has an effect on your Testes(testosterone production), it is the same on the pituitary but for LH/FSH.

I haven't heard of any of its use clinically, but there may be discoveries in the future of this sort.

Gonadotropin-releasing hormone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Again, there is a lot of research to be done on these drugs still! Just saying that it is interesting

Thanks for the response. That's really cool. So you're working from the pituitary to produce it's own hormones instead of mimicking them with Hcg and shutting it down. Really interesting

 

[Alpin]

Thanks for the response. That's really cool. So you're working from the pituitary to produce it's own hormones instead of mimicking them with Hcg and shutting it down. Really interesting

The success rate of Triptorelin so far on users that have tried it on various boards is nothing to be astonished by.

 

[ASAP]

how bout FSH did you ask ?

They did not test for FSH

 

[ASAP]

The success rate of Triptorelin so far on users that have tried it on various boards is nothing to be astonished by.

I've read that if someone were to take to much of trip it can do more damage to the hpta any truth to this?

 

[Alpin]

I've read that if someone were to take to much of trip it can do more damage to the hpta any truth to this?

Theoretically yes. But I've heard some Anti Aging clinic using 200 mcg per treatment.
Personally, I would go with less (100 mcg). That's the dose used in the high profile case for restarting the Italian bodybuilder with severe shutdown.