Long cycles!

[jonjrambo]

Most people do short cycles(6-12weeks) with heavy doses(400-1500mg test/wk). Wouldn't it be healthier and result in a more permanent muscle gain to double the length of the cycle and half the amount in each shot.

Here is a typical cycle for me.
week 1:250mg test, 15mg dbol ed, 75mg fina eod(sometimes i'll frontload first)
weeks 2-4:500mg test,25mg dbol ed, 75mg fina eod
weeks 5-8:750mg test,30mg dbol ed, 75 mg fina eod
weeks 9-11:500mg test, 75mg fina eod
week 12:250 test, 75mg fina
3 weeks post cycle therapy (pct) starting 3 weeks after my last test shot

Now here is what I would like to do this upcoming cycle. I think it will help me with my lean mass gains. I've got 9 months until my next contest. I would like to do a lightly dosed 4 or 5 month cycle, take 2 months off and then do my pre-contest cycle.

Sample long cycle:
week 1:500mg test,20mg dbol ed,75mg fina eod
weeks 2-16:250mg test,10mg dbol ed, 35mg fina eod

Do you guys think I would be shutdown worse than your typical cycle? I don't think so, but that is why i'm asking.
thanks,
jonj

 

[Vegas]

Sample long cycle:
week 1:500mg test,20mg dbol ed,75mg fina eod
weeks 2-16:250mg test,10mg dbol ed, 35mg fina eod

Do you guys think I would be shutdown worse than your typical cycle? I don't think so, but that is why i'm asking.
thanks,
jonj

Well, the first thing that popped out at me is that you are running fina and d-bol for 15 weeks. Secondly, 10mg of d-bol even for a low dose cycle is way too low to reap any benefits from it.

I just think in general you doses are too low, but to each their own.

 

[thejpman]

pyramiding is out, better to do 15 weeks with 500mg from the beginning until the end.

Aboot do you think it's too long to use tren for more than 6 weeks ?

 

[Vegas]

Aboot do you think it's too long to use tren for more than 6 weeks ?

8-10 is usually the longest you'd want to run it unless you have a lot of experience with it in my opinion.

 

[thejpman]

I have already done 10 weeks without any problems by the way it was tren depot and 200mg / weeks with test 500mg / weeks. Next time I will certainlytry to go a little longer or same lenght but a little higher in dosage (50mg more)

 

[Golgo13]

8-10 is usually the longest you'd want to run it unless you have a lot of experience with it in my opinion.

I would agree unless you are talkin tren Enan... That takes 4 weeks to kick in, so I run it longer.

 

[thejpman]

I would agree unless you are talkin tren Enan... That takes 4 weeks to kick in, so I run it longer.

yep 4 weeks to kick in I'am okay with that

 

[jarbulldog]

i have been running tren for 4 months with no proplems

 

[Vegas]

i have been running tren for 4 months with no proplems

Yeah, there are individuals that do/can. I just hope that you are getting blood work done throughout as problems aren't necessarily going to be noticeable until damage has already been done.

 

[MrMondo]

Tren at longer than 12 weeks is not advisable....Just because you do not feel sides does not mean that you are not having any. Blood work is a MUSTif you are running Tren longer....

I would run dbol no longer than 4 weeks as well......I too agree that a base test cycle is at 500mg or so per week.

 

[jonjrambo]

But 500mg can really shut someones system down. That is why i'm asking if 250 a week for many weeks will shut down my system. I have a lot of experience with tren. I use it with all my cycles. usually 75 mg eod. And yes, 12 weeks of dbol is a lot but it's only 10mg ed. Don't you think that would be safe and effective?

 

[Vegas]

And yes, 12 weeks of dbol is a lot but it's only 10mg ed. Don't you think that would be safe and effective?

It may be safe, but I really don't think it will be effective. I just think it is too low for you to see any real benefits from it.

 

[eastarr69]

It may be safe, but I really don't think it will be effective. I just think it is too low for you to see any real benefits from it.

ditto....bump up the dose and run it less time..you are looking at running a ton for a long period of time anyhow..you could always run 20-40 mg for the first 4 weeks, and then throw the same in at the last 4 weeks of the cycle..i have ran a dbol split on a 12 week test dbol cycle, and that extra jump in size and strength at the end was great..helped me to do what i wanted to do back then...and my liver passed with flying colors..

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[AussieThunder]

It may be safe, but I really don't think it will be effective. I just think it is too low for you to see any real benefits from it.

What kind of benefiits are you talking about? Size? Strength? Length of time you will be able to keep your gains?
Over a cycle of say 6-8 weeks, how many more side effects would you get from taking 500mg test enth vs taking 250mg? Will both shut you down completely during this time? How much longer (if at all) will it take you to recover after a cycle of 500mg per week of test enth/cyp compared with 250mg?

 

[liquidpain]

I've had a discussion with a former pro bb'er and he told me he was juicing for 12 years straight..... He says he did only a few pct's during his career. And we talked about keeping gains, and I said I took heavy doses (1g+/week) of test for example and couldn't keep gains from it.

Here's the big secret : nobody in the pro iron game ever gets off. He told me he cycled boldenon for 3 months, then deca for 3 more, then test-e, and finally test prop to taper down a bit.

The dose he uses are quite low for a bb'er like him (circa 500mg/week) but he never stops. He claims androgens receptors never ever saturate.

And seeing this monster doing 600+lbs squats is really something.

I'll try this method and keep you posted in 12 months. (if I'm still alive though)

 

[Vegas]

What kind of benefiits are you talking about? Size? Strength? Length of time you will be able to keep your gains?

I don't believe that you will experience the gains in size or strength that you want. The dose you are planning to take is simply too low to provide any real anabolic boost.

Over a cycle of say 6-8 weeks, how many more side effects would you get from taking 500mg test enth vs taking 250mg?

That depends on the individual. Some react poorly to any amount of test, others can run massive doses with very little in the way of side effects. However, the jump from 250 to 500 mgs isn't that far.

Will both shut you down completely during this time? How much longer (if at all) will it take you to recover after a cycle of 500mg per week of test enth/cyp compared with 250mg?

Both will shut your natural testosterone production down completely. As for the difference in recovery time, there may be a slight difference, but this would be negligible.

 

[BORNTOJUICE]

I ran 500 mg of Qv test ent for a year and then 1000 mg for 7 mt
i have been off for 46 day's and i belive my system has fired back up.
due to the fact my dick is now getting hard again .
my weight has dropped down 30 lb's .
a big part of the weigh loss is from a all protien diet i think .
i will cut the bf way low and fire back up in 45 more days
im a old man , 39 young men should not have long cycles imo

 

[Vegas]

I ran 500 mg of Qv test ent for a year and then 1000 mg for 7 mt
i have been off for 46 day's and i belive my system has fired back up.
due to the fact my dick is now getting hard again .
my weight has dropped down 30 lb's .
a big part of the weigh loss is from a all protien diet i think .
i will cut the bf way low and fire back up in 45 more days
im a old man , 39 young men should not have long cycles imo

Damn. I assume you have had blood work done?

 

[sentry]

of corse 250mg is good enough for an anabolic boost.your body only produces about 2mg per day naturally so imagine what another 250mg extra per week would do.with this though i would advise to take a hardner like deca or boldenone with it and maybe clen too.this will keep some water off you and harden your gains.keep this going for about 15-20weeks.make sure the clen is at a low dose though.and be sure to use loads of post cycle therapy (pct) to get your test levels up as soon as possible to keep as much of the gains.
I start my post cycle therapy (pct) the week after i finish because it increases your natural test levels while the synthetic test is still circulating.
have fun!

 

[Vegas]

I start my post cycle therapy (pct) the week after i finish because it increases your natural test levels while the synthetic test is still circulating.
have fun!

Um, that's physiologically impossible.