Long Term Steroid Use questions

[OldManTest]

Hi All

I am 42yrs and have been inj test for roughly 8yrs.
For the last 5-6 years I have been doing 1.5cc's every 10-14 days with little to no breaks.
Everything works fine, no qyno, hair loss or acne. Do have some hair growth but nothing to write home about. Also have scar tissue in the glutes.

My question is:
I know its a long ass time to be on with no breaks but with the amount Im doing, aside from the natural test shutting down, what future heath risks should I be concerned about?
Havent found much info regarding this on the net. A doctor once told me that its such a small amount I shouldnt be concerned.

Your thoughts are appreciated
OMT

 

[BoBoy]

I would think if you were going to experience any side effects you would have already had them .You've done well.... Me ? I"ve only been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) a few years but I blast & cruise so I deserve what I get , right now I"m doing a 2 ml test & 2 ml deca a wk blast , I just got thru with a 3 month cruise (.3 ml x2/wk test-c) The trade-off ? I"ve lost a little hair (and grew a bunch in the wrong places)and I've got an enlarged prostate so 4-5 piss trips every night , I also have roid rage so none of my neighbors or relatives fk with me . The plus is Im over 50 and am as strong as a bull and the crowds part when I walk thru Wal-marts ....~Bo

 

[OldManTest]

Thanks for the reply

 

[halfwit]

Hi All

I am 42yrs and have been inj test for roughly 8yrs.
For the last 5-6 years I have been doing 1.5cc's every 10-14 days with little to no breaks.
Everything works fine, no qyno, hair loss or acne. Do have some hair growth but nothing to write home about. Also have scar tissue in the glutes.

My question is:
I know its a long ass time to be on with no breaks but with the amount Im doing, aside from the natural test shutting down, what future heath risks should I be concerned about?
Havent found much info regarding this on the net. A doctor once told me that its such a small amount I shouldnt be concerned.

Your thoughts are appreciated
OMT

You're essentially replacing your natural testosterone with that dose, so the risks associated with supraphysiological doses is pretty low. You do however want to keep an eye on your estradiol (prostate/bp/bone density issues) and hematocrit/red blood cell counts. ALL testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients should be donating blood regularly to avoid any complications from the fact our bodies start to crank out RBC's like mad on exogenous testosterone.

I would think if you were going to experience any side effects you would have already had them .You've done well.... Me ? I"ve only been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) a few years but I blast & cruise so I deserve what I get , right now I"m doing a 2 ml test & 2 ml deca a wk blast , I just got thru with a 3 month cruise (.3 ml x2/wk test-c) The trade-off ? I"ve lost a little hair (and grew a bunch in the wrong places)and I've got an enlarged prostate so 4-5 piss trips every night , I also have roid rage so none of my neighbors or relatives fk with me . The plus is Im over 50 and am as strong as a bull and the crowds part when I walk thru Wal-marts ....~Bo

Try cialis man, it's a wonder drug and available from our friends at RUI. It drastically helps with benign prostatic hyperplasia, which is making you have to urinate frequently.

 

[OldManTest]

Thanks Half....appreciate the insight

 

[Frank White]

Halfwit forgot to add that all the added test is our fountain of youth, allowing us to live to about 120 yrs old, all while still banging young chicks at the mall.

I can attest to the cialis addition...used to wake up at least 2-3 times during the night to piss. however no more. Plus, my boner can chip granite...how great is that?

 

[halfwit]

Halfwit forgot to add that all the added test is our fountain of youth, allowing us to live to about 120 yrs old, all while still banging young chicks at the mall.

I can attest to the cialis addition...used to wake up at least 2-3 times during the night to piss. however no more. Plus, my boner can chip granite...how great is that?

Now if I can only figure out a way to talk the wife into letting me have at those mall chicks.

 

[joliver]

I would check my cholesterol...that's about it. Well, that isn't it, I am sure there is more, but definitely cholesterol.

 

[Moppy1]

I am kind of in the same boat and been on Test for about 10 years now (I am also in my 40s). Tried 1 year of no test supplementation as an attempt to get my natural production back, but it never got above 60 from my blood work (normal is 300-900). So I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) the rest of my life (but I blast and cruise all year long). As Half-wit says, watch your estrogen for good prostate health and your cholesterol, otherwise I think that is about all we can control. No real medical studies on the long term impact, but I do suspect we might pay for it one day. Even estrogen replacement therapy in women cones with a small risk for certain types of cancer, but it took studies with 30,000 women for 10+ years to find these subtle effects.

 

[halfwit]

I am kind of in the same boat and been on Test for about 10 years now (I am also in my 40s). Tried 1 year of no test supplementation as an attempt to get my natural production back, but it never got above 60 from my blood work (normal is 300-900). So I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) the rest of my life (but I blast and cruise all year long). As Half-wit says, watch your estrogen for good prostate health and your cholesterol, otherwise I think that is about all we can control. No real medical studies on the long term impact, but I do suspect we might pay for it one day. Even estrogen replacement therapy in women cones with a small risk for certain types of cancer, but it took studies with 30,000 women for 10+ years to find these subtle effects.

Keep in mind too, estradiol is a carcinogen. That's why all the estrogen therapies carry those warnings. It's also why we have the warning about prostate cancer for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as they don't like to acknowledge it's the aromatization that carries the risk of cancer. I still haven't figured out why they do that, aside from maybe folks that don't want to take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if they see too high of estrogen?

 

[skinnypete]

Can anyone touch on the subject about the left ventricle of the heart. Or hardening of the arteries in general with steroid use. Bad diet and cholesterol and plaque build up. high red blood cells/ hematocrit.

 

[enzo321]

If you're TRTing the only issue you have to honestly worry about is high blood pressure, and high red blood cell count.

I would also watch cholesterol too once in a blue moon. Estro of course too.

 

[halfwit]

Can anyone touch on the subject about the left ventricle of the heart. Or hardening of the arteries in general with steroid use. Bad diet and cholesterol and plaque build up. high red blood cells/ hematocrit.

Problem with that is there are new studies contradicting what has been taught for some time about plaque causing heart disease and the actual role of cholesterol in it. Until those eggheads agree on what is really going on, I'm afraid to touch that subject.

What do you want to know about HCT/RBC?

 

[KingPen]

Just stay on top of getting your blood work done every few months or so and keep record of all of your values.

 

[enzo321]

Can anyone touch on the subject about the left ventricle of the heart. Or hardening of the arteries in general with steroid use. Bad diet and cholesterol and plaque build up. high red blood cells/ hematocrit.

Are you asking about the correlation of steroid usage and heart hypertrophy?


As for cholesterol it has little to do with your diet(unless you put butter and bacon grease on everything). For example, the fitness industry is always telling people "Don't eat egg yolks their high in cholesterol", but realistically dietary cholesterol has almost nothing to do with blood cholesterol.

The man contributing factor to high cholesterol is...

Not being active + saturated fats + smoking and alcohol consumption.

 

[Moppy1]

Steroids probably have nothing to do with cardiac hypertrophy. There are like 2-3 anecdotal reports in the literature, and is probably completely unrelated, as 1:500 people walking the street have cardiac hypertrophy and dont know it. As half-wit mentioned, the medical community cannot even decide how cholesterol should be managed in helping prevent heart attacks (myocardial infarction). First they are saying HDLs elevation is good, but then clinical trials for drugs that do just that failed and actually caused more deaths. Remember, half of all heart attacks occur in people with normal cholesterol, and plenty of people with high cholesterol never get a myocardial infarction (from coronary artery occlusion). That being said, statins do save lives and reduce the risk for myocardial infarction, but probably because they act as anti-inflammatory agents, not specifically because they lower cholesterol. So, I am not really convinced that steroid use will come at a much greater risk of heart disease, but it is really hard to know long-term if there is a subtle risk without conducting some pretty elaborate trials in 1000s of bros on juice for 5+ years, etc.