Looking for PH for 2nd cycle

[kaytothe]

I finished a Hella cycle a couple months back and went well, and looking to start another cycle in a couple months but something that might give me more mass gains. I felt strong on helladrol I can't complain but what's the next PH above that?

I'm 27, 6'1... 180lbs 11-12% bf.

I'm looking to throw it in half way through my bulk for the winter.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Go for something like SDMZ man.

 

[kaytothe]

Sdmz 2.0 you mean?

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Yep.

 

[kaytothe]

I still have like 21 pills of helladrol. Is it possible to use hella the first week than switch to Sdmz for the rest of the cycle?

 

[CptFKNplanet]

You could. Just don't go over 6 weeks total since they're both methyls.

 

[Conrad0032]

Go for something like SDMZ man.

Not be an ass but doing SDMZ 2.0 as a 2nd PH is idiotic... It has M-sten and D-zine in it. It's really liver toxic and one of the strongest PHs on the market. If I were you I'd run LGI DMZ 15 or CEL D-zine. It gives some real nice gains and has very few sides. It been claimed to be superdrol without the nasty side effects. More info here:
The Dymethazine & Dzine Informative Bible. | Designer Steroids | TunedSports.com - Legal Anabolic Steroid & Pro-hormone Supplement Blog.

If that doesn't work for you, check out Epistane. People say it's a cutter, but I know plenty of people who get 10+ keepable pounds from the cycle. I know someone who went up 20lbs and then kept around 15 of them PCT on a 5 week cycle at 30/30/40/40/40. Tunedsports.com has a bible on epistane as well. It also has classifications of PHs based on how powerful they are here: The Prohormone & Designer Steroid Charts. | Steroid Miscellaneous | TunedSports.com - Legal Anabolic Steroid & Pro-hormone Supplement Blog.
^You did a class II compound, look at the class III ones. Avoid stacking compounds until you need to or else you're selling yourself short of possible gains. Do them one by one first, then maybe repeat a few and eventually begin stacking if you truly need to as stacking orals is never advised.

I think it's a fairy accurate. Don't jump into stacking M-sten, an ultradrol clone, and DMZ, which is claimed to be as strong as superdrol. Do them separately, and then maybe jump into SDMZ 2.0 if you're not satisfied, however, you will be very satisfied I think

 

[CptFKNplanet]

I ran it for my second after a halo / 1-andro stack. No sides on cycle other than minuscule acne, but I break out anyways.
The half life is short so if any negative sides popped up that he couldn't control, all he'd have to do is stop taking it and start post cycle therapy (pct). If Jason fucking Genova is smart enough to handle this shit, I would sure as hell hope anyone on this forum can too.

You are basically saying that test/dbol would also be an idiotic second cycle because dbol is liver toxic.

 

[Conrad0032]

I ran it for my second after a halo / 1-andro stack. No sides on cycle other than minuscule acne, but I break out anyways.
The half life is short so if any negative sides popped up that he couldn't control, all he'd have to do is stop taking it and start post cycle therapy (pct). If Jason fucking Genova is smart enough to handle this shit, I would sure as hell hope anyone on this forum can too.

You are basically saying that test/dbol would also be an idiotic second cycle because dbol is liver toxic.

I stick with my opinion. There are plenty of people who quiz SDMZ 2.0 3 weeks in because it's so brutal on their system. Also, I would think doing dbol as a 2nd cycle isn't as smart. Should run test alone and gauge the effects before throwing in Dbol. Why would you jump to a much, much stronger compound after doing something as mild as halo? Once do you SDMZ 2.0 you won't get nearly the gains you could have with weaker compounds. I'd take advantage of what the weaker ones have to offer before jumping on the high horse.

It's like saying I did a cycle of test at 400mg a week now what... And someone telling them to do a cycle of test at 1g/week along with tren at 500mg/week, while kickstarting the cycle with d-bol and finishing it off with var. I just don't think it's smart to go from the weakest PH to one of the strongest PHs on the market.

But to each their own. OP will decide. I'm giving my opinion and nothing more.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

No no no, not as a second cycle for him specifically... but as a second cycle for someone who actually started with test only. From your previous post you made it sounds like the reason he shouldn't run SDMZ was specifically because of the liver toxicity. Not trying to argue, just saying that damn near every oral out there is going to be pretty taxing on the liver. And I really don't think it's logical to compare the jump from Halo to SDMZ to a jump from test @ 400mg to a test/tren/dbol/var cycle.

 

[kaytothe]

Sdmz sounds like a great product but worth waiting for. I like the idea of building up to it which I why I want the next step up from Hella. I looked into the Dmz 15 and might give that a go and save the Sdmz for next year probably.

Also have a bottle of Katanadrol 3.0, would you recommend running that along side Dmz 15? Thinking Kdrol 3 pills a day weeks 1-3 than Dmz 2 pills a day weeks 2-6. Or just run Dmz alone?

 

[nickb86]

3 pills a day of katana bro will be fine, but it really shines if you can go to 4

Its not methylated so will stack in well with most PH's, however if its your 1st time with something you may like to be cautious and run things singularly to feel/gauge the effects.

If your going to run a proper PH stack id advice you add Transaderm to it, itl act as test base and add to your gains bro, really soups up a serious PH stack and I always add it in

 

[Conrad0032]

Yea, maybe took that comparison a bit overboard... not maybe, I did take it overboard haha. But I hope you get what I meant. Didn't mean to come off as a know it all and what not.

Kaytothe, glad you decided to wait on the SDMZ 2.0. Idk anyone who's taken katandrol or have any experience with it, but from what I've read it seems to be a straight up cutting PH with little room for mass building. DMZ is more of a bulker. I would run the DMZ by itself while you bulk, bulk through PCT to not loose gains, and for another 2-3 weeks after PCT to be safe. Then, if you'd want you can start cutting, and after 3-4 weeks throw in the katanadrol, as it seems like it's pretty mild a PH, to finish up the cut.

I know people say time on+PCT = time off, but katanadrol is non methylated, so it should be g2g soon after your cycle of DMZ. Then after all this is said and done give yourself a nice few month break and enjoy the gains

edit: I agree with Nick as well. Best run stuff alone and see how you respond and then go on ahead and stack them. Makes it more fun, get to see the differences. Also you will understand which sides each compound will give you if run separately.

 

[kaytothe]

I was looking at the price on Dmz 15 and I'm just wondering why its so cheap compared to the Helladrol if its a more potent ph. Might be a dumb question but I just want to know if it's cheap cuz very few see results or what?

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Yea, maybe took that comparison a bit overboard... not maybe, I did take it overboard haha. But I hope you get what I meant. Didn't mean to come off as a know it all and what not.

Kaytothe, glad you decided to wait on the SDMZ 2.0. Idk anyone who's taken katandrol or have any experience with it, but from what I've read it seems to be a straight up cutting PH with little room for mass building. DMZ is more of a bulker. I would run the DMZ by itself while you bulk, bulk through PCT to not loose gains, and for another 2-3 weeks after PCT to be safe. Then, if you'd want you can start cutting, and after 3-4 weeks throw in the katanadrol, as it seems like it's pretty mild a PH, to finish up the cut.

I know people say time on+PCT = time off, but katanadrol is non methylated, so it should be g2g soon after your cycle of DMZ. Then after all this is said and done give yourself a nice few month break and enjoy the gains

edit: I agree with Nick as well. Best run stuff alone and see how you respond and then go on ahead and stack them. Makes it more fun, get to see the differences. Also you will understand which sides each compound will give you if run separately.

Lol no worries bud. I understand where you're coming from though.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

I was looking at the price on Dmz 15 and I'm just wondering why its so cheap compared to the Helladrol if its a more potent ph. Might be a dumb question but I just want to know if it's cheap cuz very few see results or what?

You will definitely see results from SDMZ. Pricing varies mainly due to manufacturer. Like say, buying ON's whey protein compared to Vitamin Shoppe brand.

 

[kaytothe]

Got cha, thanks

 

[Conrad0032]

I was looking at the price on Dmz 15 and I'm just wondering why its so cheap compared to the Helladrol if its a more potent ph. Might be a dumb question but I just want to know if it's cheap cuz very few see results or what?

It's just a cheap, effective brand. Other brands cost more, 50 bucks a bottle. Mr. Supps prohormones are really expensive from what I saw too... M-sten is only 35 bucks and is a crazy mass builder. Don't go by price to judge if something's good. If people did that with steroids then anavar would be the greatest thing ever eh? And test would seem to be close to garbage seeing how cheap it is. Obviously it's not haha

 

[packers6211]

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I finished a Hella cycle a couple months back and went well, and looking to start another cycle in a couple months but something that might give me more mass gains. I felt strong on helladrol I can't complain but what's the next PH above that?

I'm 27, 6'1... 180lbs 11-12% bf.

I'm looking to throw it in half way through my bulk for the winter.