Low (320) Testosterone at 25. 3 Doctors won't do a thing. Are they right?
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RamJam
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Rip is right. We live in an increasingly estrogen driven society. I have had your problems, and know from experience how hopeless it seems. ED should be viewed in the category of quality of life issues. When you are drowning and asking your Doc (who we have all been conditioned to go to for help) for help, and he's doing nothing but standing over you and describing the water--There is a problem. I had to do research to get my levels checked-- Our corrupt healthcare system wanted to charge $250-$300 just for testing total T...which would not give all the info. we needed. It is A CRIME that I should have had to find testing ON MY OWN--because the Doctors didnt want to do anything, or would just rip you off in the process of telling you that you are fine when you feel like you are dying. Bottom line--the so called ranges are completely false.. Im sure the charts you find online, and the statistics showing no need for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) when levels are at LEAST 400 are more accurate. Im sure you would get charged for an office visit just the same. I was at the brink of killing myself before a doc would listen. Having to worry about all of this shit is, of course, going to contribute to ED. All of us, no matter from what background, started working out in order to acheive what was not going to be handed to us--and in doing so you have to break away from the herd. Start out easy, but if youdont get help and feel the need to get your own T and run 125 mgs--DO IT. When you feel better, everything will be more at ease---( &THAT IS THE IMPORTANT THING--YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE./WELL BEING.) If you need to continue to run T, You will know in time...and its a means to an end..But why SUFFER in the mean time? I'll be damned if I will go along with being told Im fine because a BS chart says I am. In the end, YOU and YOU ALONE are left to live with the choices/consequence/fallout..Docs dont care. If I feel like i need a bump of T, Im going to get some T. If im starving, and my ribcage is showing--but a doc or anyone else glances up from their stockholder report to tell me im not hungry--Im gonna eat.
misterkobra
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bro I honestly dont really know what to do.
what im going to do first is
1) get surgery on my varicocele. studies show that varicocele can lower test by up to 180ng/dl
2) after that, if my test is still in the low 300s im going to do clomid 50mg e3d (is that good? should it be lower? ive read about a guy who had 200ng/dl test and was doing 25mg twice a week and went up to 600 test, anyone have any info on this?)
3) is clomid temporary? after use is discontinued will my test drop again? can i take it for life? will it hurt my testicles or anything? if all goes wrong im going to self admnister 125mg a week of test cyp, will have to buy it ilegally, no idea how i'll be doing that.
RamJam
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Brother,
If you want to get the surgery because you think it is causing the problem, and its not too expensive or risky to you--then go ahead and get it. Although you want to have some numbers to work with, (testing your T levels ) dont worry about the number--as long as you are feeling good and performing like you want. Look at it like this--women in the gym, or the ones thinking about losing weight, are so concerned with the number, instead of how they look. A chick might drop bodyfat% and add muscle weight and look 10x better, but freak when she get on the scale and see the number. If Im F****N like a porn star, and you pulled me off the set to whisper "Hey , Ram..your t levels are at 280-320" Why would I care? Unless I focused on that number and it fucked me up. The number, which is based on a system that is either misinformed, or lying to you in the first place--is irrelevant compared to how you feel and perform. If that doctor that told you your levels "were in the normal range" gave you a printed report showing that--So that if you failed to perform with your girlfriend you could just throw the paper down on her back and say "No...its ok..Im in the norm..SEE?" would that set your mind at ease? Claro que no!! It is how you feel and perform.
You could do Clomid right now, and its not going to hurt anything. Its not permanent. And its not going to do any permanent damage as long as you dont pour a bowl of it to use for cereal in the morning. The same is true for the test. You are working out and trying to be healthy and live a well rounded life--not balancing uppers and downers, crack and meth--Think of how many people abuse their body like that (and in some cases, bastards have no problems)...
The point is, I know from experience it seem like the house is burning down around you and everyone is telling you its fine. But relax--if nothing else, the same way you dont accept just passing by and letting your body deteriorate like many others, you will not allow this condition or bump in the road to rule. IF NOTHING ELSE--YOU KNOW that the T will get the job done, as well as viagra, cialis etc....
Dont over think it. Look at it like you have safety net keeping you from falling and dying. If it were 30 to 50 years ago, you would just be screwed--but you are not. I think that if you go get your total and free T levels checked, then get yourself some T and Viagra-- the problem will subside, because youll be able to let your mind relax and focus on other things like living a normal balanced life. Dont focus on these numbers holding your destiny ---
Finding your gear isnt hard. Stick around and read. I hope this helps. Let us know how your are doing.
"Im just gotta get big and strong brother"....."Yes you are my friend"
If you want to get the surgery because you think it is causing the problem, and its not too expensive or risky to you--then go ahead and get it. Although you want to have some numbers to work with, (testing your T levels ) dont worry about the number--as long as you are feeling good and performing like you want. Look at it like this--women in the gym, or the ones thinking about losing weight, are so concerned with the number, instead of how they look. A chick might drop bodyfat% and add muscle weight and look 10x better, but freak when she get on the scale and see the number. If Im F****N like a porn star, and you pulled me off the set to whisper "Hey , Ram..your t levels are at 280-320" Why would I care? Unless I focused on that number and it fucked me up. The number, which is based on a system that is either misinformed, or lying to you in the first place--is irrelevant compared to how you feel and perform. If that doctor that told you your levels "were in the normal range" gave you a printed report showing that--So that if you failed to perform with your girlfriend you could just throw the paper down on her back and say "No...its ok..Im in the norm..SEE?" would that set your mind at ease? Claro que no!! It is how you feel and perform.
You could do Clomid right now, and its not going to hurt anything. Its not permanent. And its not going to do any permanent damage as long as you dont pour a bowl of it to use for cereal in the morning. The same is true for the test. You are working out and trying to be healthy and live a well rounded life--not balancing uppers and downers, crack and meth--Think of how many people abuse their body like that (and in some cases, bastards have no problems)...
The point is, I know from experience it seem like the house is burning down around you and everyone is telling you its fine. But relax--if nothing else, the same way you dont accept just passing by and letting your body deteriorate like many others, you will not allow this condition or bump in the road to rule. IF NOTHING ELSE--YOU KNOW that the T will get the job done, as well as viagra, cialis etc....
Dont over think it. Look at it like you have safety net keeping you from falling and dying. If it were 30 to 50 years ago, you would just be screwed--but you are not. I think that if you go get your total and free T levels checked, then get yourself some T and Viagra-- the problem will subside, because youll be able to let your mind relax and focus on other things like living a normal balanced life. Dont focus on these numbers holding your destiny ---
Finding your gear isnt hard. Stick around and read. I hope this helps. Let us know how your are doing.
"Im just gotta get big and strong brother"....."Yes you are my friend"
misterkobra
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yea bro, i agree with you.
my gf keeps telling me that getting T or using Cialis is not a fix to the problem, what i need is a natural solution to make my body produce more testosterone on its own and that will fix my ED issues that happen occasionally. is that even possible? or am i plagued with 320+ testosterone genetics for life, and it will only go down? i have a healthy diet, dont even drink anymore etc etc.
she says cialis and especially Test is not a fix to te problem.. im like wtf im trying to tell you they treat psychological ED with cialis. just like the testosterone because it makes me sterile (andi im sure 125mg a week wont make me sterile)
i honestly think i dont need cialis, the only reason i take cialis is because im usually not horny and it helps me not feel anxious before sex because i have to start from absolute zero, and if anything goes wrong then boom, im limp and nervous.
what i really want is my libido and gains in the gym, which i really feel the low test is holding back. Im 100% sure if my body had more testosterone i'd be way hornier and would never have any ED problems.
RamJam
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Brother,
I re-read your original post,and it just pisses me off..You went to 3 doctors and did you feel better after? No. So a couple basically told u that u were not sick enough tohelp. F that. If your car was out of gas what would you do? Forget "needing" cialis/viagra...F'n take it or at least have on hand. Day to day I dont need a spare tire or protection for my home, but ive got it.
You need to cut the gf out of the discussion on what you are doing/gonna do. You dont help her w tampons/douche feminine maintenance stuff, so she doesnt need to be involved. Her giving her opinions/input wil only stress youmore and compound theproblem.
I would even run 250 mg of test per wk for your 1st cycle. See if you can find a blend of test prop/enanthate so you get some immediate relief.
Also; Watching Ike Turner in "Whats love got to with it ?" is a natural way to raise test levels.
I re-read your original post,and it just pisses me off..You went to 3 doctors and did you feel better after? No. So a couple basically told u that u were not sick enough tohelp. F that. If your car was out of gas what would you do? Forget "needing" cialis/viagra...F'n take it or at least have on hand. Day to day I dont need a spare tire or protection for my home, but ive got it.
You need to cut the gf out of the discussion on what you are doing/gonna do. You dont help her w tampons/douche feminine maintenance stuff, so she doesnt need to be involved. Her giving her opinions/input wil only stress youmore and compound theproblem.
I would even run 250 mg of test per wk for your 1st cycle. See if you can find a blend of test prop/enanthate so you get some immediate relief.
Also; Watching Ike Turner in "Whats love got to with it ?" is a natural way to raise test levels.
misterkobra
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my gf denying me the cialis/test actually does stress me more because i feel like, for now, this is the best solution to the problem and if I really see that my test AND free test is low, im gonna hop on the testosterone because I DO NOT want to feel like a lazy ED'd loser all the time.
ps: im going to cycle. 500mg a week. I know 500mg a week is a lot of test into the body, but If i feel my ed/laziness/ going away with the cycle im definitely going to incline myself MORE into doing TRT.
i was even going to do 250mg a week just to feel how is it to have more test in my body but not so exageratted, if it would make me hornier etc.. etc.. but im blasting because we only have one first cycle.
im thinking MAYBE after my cycle, with a whole lot more muscle and after doing a good post cycle therapy (pct) with nolva and clomid, im sure my test levels would be higher. if I feel like shyt even after the post cycle therapy (pct) then im definitely cruising.
RamJam
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I know you are tired of feeling that way, but if you havent done a cycle before--I sure as hell wouldnt do 500 mgs/wk. The reason you want to start at 125 to 250 mg/wk is so that you always have room to go up. If you start really high--how much are you going to run later on? Ive probably done about 8 to 10 cycles (dont remember for sure)--but Ive only went over 250/wk once. Honestly, you shouldnt need more than 250 to see/feel signifigant to dramatic differnce. I dont think anyone would disagree with that. If you are really just anxious, and not wanting to wait (which is why i think you are saying youre gonna run 500 mgs/wk) see if you cant find a blend of propionate and enanthate. The prop will kick fast and the enanthate will have an extended release. If you start out doing too much you could shut your natural test production down--then you would have a problem. If you cant find the blend you can get them seperate.
Just tell the gf..."Yes, yea, yep, youre right", and go get your gear.
Just tell the gf..."Yes, yea, yep, youre right", and go get your gear.
Megatron28
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Just thought I would chime in here. I don't think it is solely about how you feel. That is important but treating the numbers has its importance too. Let me give you an example. What would you do for the person who has high cholesterol or blood pressure but feels fine? Wait for him to have symptoms like a heart attack or stroke? Or treat him based on the numbers? Testosterone, estrogen, etc are the same. There are serious long term issues to having your hormones messed up and you should seek treatment even if you don't have immediate symptoms.
And the advice about not listening to you girlfriend on this is good advice. She isn't going to understand from what it sounds like. Taking test when your levels are below normal to return it to a normal level is doing the healthy thing. There isn't some magic vitamin out there that will do that for you.
And the advice about not listening to you girlfriend on this is good advice. She isn't going to understand from what it sounds like. Taking test when your levels are below normal to return it to a normal level is doing the healthy thing. There isn't some magic vitamin out there that will do that for you.
misterkobra
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Im actually not even that interested at running 500mg first cycle. I just hear everyoen saying " you only have 1 first cycle " or " you will wish you were doing 500"
i actally dont even want to get big. I was planning on doing a 250mg cut cycle on 1800kcals to shred the fat (im 15% was hoping to get to at least 12% in 10 weeks) and not have too many sides like bloating and acne and stuff.
I'll run 250mg of enanthate (or sustanon, which is easier to get here in brazil) for 10 weeks, @1800 kcals. I want to get down to 12% while building a little bit of muscle. I know Im not big enough to cut but being 15% to me is kind of saddening.
after cycling and doing post cycle therapy (pct) im going to check my total test and free test. if they are still both low, im cruising on 125mg for life. I dont want supraphysiological levels while cruising. I just want a good upper end test.
misterkobra
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what exams should i be asking for when on 125mg test a week?
im thinking off the top of my head:
Total Test
Free Test
LH
FSH
Estradiol
Estrogen
Hematocrit
HDL/LDL
Liver values
and a spermogram (dunno how you say it in english, its for sperm count)
is there anything else?
when on 125mg test for life are any changes to these values normal? Like " you'll have below average FSH because you re running on artificial test, but thats normal and of no concern" or something like that?
also, I dont understand one thing... if everyone gets shut down after a while using exogenous test, exogenous test should put everyyone on the same total test amount, right? like 125mg test would always put EVERYONE at i dunno 700ng/dl or so since everyone is shutdown, on 0, and all the Test working in your system would be exogenous?
im thinking off the top of my head:
Total Test
Free Test
LH
FSH
Estradiol
Estrogen
Hematocrit
HDL/LDL
Liver values
and a spermogram (dunno how you say it in english, its for sperm count)
is there anything else?
when on 125mg test for life are any changes to these values normal? Like " you'll have below average FSH because you re running on artificial test, but thats normal and of no concern" or something like that?
also, I dont understand one thing... if everyone gets shut down after a while using exogenous test, exogenous test should put everyyone on the same total test amount, right? like 125mg test would always put EVERYONE at i dunno 700ng/dl or so since everyone is shutdown, on 0, and all the Test working in your system would be exogenous?
thank god I have had same Dr. for 8 years now. I don't b.s. him, I tell him all issues , monitored due to pain meds from spine fusion , and after androgel last year, and worries my wife will grow a beard, got test done and test. level was at 180. . no wonder I feel like dog Sh##. So I told him androgel did nada and I don't mind the injections so we are doing 200mg a week of Test. E , and don't know hat to expect. know what test. e can do but everyone is different. anybody know if this amount will help me feel " like a million$ , shoot I will take a "FEEL LIKE A $1,000$ "
Hello guys, I NEED HELP !
I am 41yrs. old on test cypionate for over 6 weeks,before i started the test my lab number of 131,with all the signs of just existing in life.It felt like i couldnt focus on anything,depressed,bones ached.My endo has me taking 1ml per week,im feeling a little better but now im in the gym wanting to know if stacking anything with the test would help drop some weight,and help me get some endurance back,i still at times feel lethargic from time to time and what to feel more energy.Also i still feel stiff in my joints,bones,,is there anything that can help that as well? im 5 11 ,300lbs and also was wanting to know if i should bump up the test. I hope to hear back from someone, thank you.
I am 41yrs. old on test cypionate for over 6 weeks,before i started the test my lab number of 131,with all the signs of just existing in life.It felt like i couldnt focus on anything,depressed,bones ached.My endo has me taking 1ml per week,im feeling a little better but now im in the gym wanting to know if stacking anything with the test would help drop some weight,and help me get some endurance back,i still at times feel lethargic from time to time and what to feel more energy.Also i still feel stiff in my joints,bones,,is there anything that can help that as well? im 5 11 ,300lbs and also was wanting to know if i should bump up the test. I hope to hear back from someone, thank you.
riprockwell
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Bro if you want to get some good advice, then just start your own thread and everyone can chime in and help you. Good luck.
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