Low T and was given Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and an estrogen blocker only... normal?
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totalburnout
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Uh my example is very realistic, bud. That was my actual bloodwork results. I'm fine at 42 E2 and 1400 TT because its a ratio that works for myself. At 1000TT and 42 E2, the ratio may not be fine. That's my point. If I left it up to bloodwork and had my doctor or this board advise me, I'd get 4"5 answers that 42 is too high (because its out of range), 5 answers that its fine because of the ratio and 1 person that would turn the question back around and ask me how I personally felt.
No it's not rocket science but again you completely downplayed the toughest aspect of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) like it was no big deal and bloodwork would somehow magically manage your E2. That is what was silly and an exaggeration.
SicVic
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yeah LOL. You could probably slap me across the face and nothing happen when I was on roids. I do second that with Clomid though, but nothing to serious.
totalburnout
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herp a derp.
That's my point. You are tranquil because your estrogen IS IN CHECK. If estrogen wasn't in check, you'd have the mood swings and rage.
Here's the long story short; Austinite tried to make the entire managing estrogen process sound simple, when it's in fact the most important aspect of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to manage. Any dummy can shoot X amount of testosterone. It's balancing the hormones that is a science.
couldthisbeit
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Just going to trust the doctor for now. He did say if not looking good on my next visit he would add testosterone. I just want to get the problem resolved and he does know more than me. So far nothing feeling yet but it's only been a week. I'm on 350 hug twice a week. Will keep you guys posted. Hoping for the best and trying to stay positive.
juced_porkchop
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agreed 100%!
juced_porkchop
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Sorry but i agree WITH HIM, it IS simple after you toy with it a little while. ... it is not hard... yes you will need a couple visits and blood tests to find sweet spot, but it is simple.. atleast to most of us..
couldthisbeit
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Well, still have not noticed any differences at all. I went to do my bloodwork and if numbers are still low looking to start on the test if the doc says so. Hopefully, I will be joining the rest of you guys if needed.
couldthisbeit
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Ok, so had my 6 week bw done and results are:
test: 312
free test: 8.5 (9.5 -26.5)
estraidol: 12.1 (7.6 - 42.6)
The doctor decided to put me on 50mg on cyp twice a week, continue on HCG. I am guessing the estrogen blocker did it's job since the e2 is still low. Hopefully I'll get a rise when I start on the cyp. I was thinking since I am so big I might need to start on a higher dose, but once again I will leave that to the professionals and I'm sure they'll adjust me as needed. Just wanted to give an update. So the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) didn't seem to jumpstart much for me, unfortunately.
test: 312
free test: 8.5 (9.5 -26.5)
estraidol: 12.1 (7.6 - 42.6)
The doctor decided to put me on 50mg on cyp twice a week, continue on HCG. I am guessing the estrogen blocker did it's job since the e2 is still low. Hopefully I'll get a rise when I start on the cyp. I was thinking since I am so big I might need to start on a higher dose, but once again I will leave that to the professionals and I'm sure they'll adjust me as needed. Just wanted to give an update. So the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) didn't seem to jumpstart much for me, unfortunately.
Megatron28
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Yeah -- those numbers are not good. You must have felt horrible with a Low T like that AND that low of an E2. Are you joints just killing you?
Doc's often like to start low and work their way up. For some guys 100mg per week is plenty. Injecting twice a week is a good way to go. At that dose you probably won't need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Although with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in there you might. But hopefully you won't need a lot. Does he want you to take Aromatase inhibitor (AI) along with the Test and hcg?
couldthisbeit
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Good question, I forgot to ask that. I still have about 15 or 20 of them left from intial prescription, so I was thinking it may be good to use those. I will ask when it is time to refill my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) though.
You know honestly, joints have been achy mainly in my legs and knees, but figured that was due to the weight. My bones pop like crazy at night time only, could that be because of estrogen? Well, hopefully I can get these numbers balanced out over time.
Hoping for the best.
Megatron28
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One of the bad symptoms of having estrodiol being too low is the onset of joint pain. 12.1 is very low. Most guys prefer to be in the 20-30 range.
couldthisbeit
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It will go up as my test goes up after I start the cyp, right? Could it be I need to lay off the anastrazole for awhile? It's going to be tough to keep track of this when trying to get dialed in since I won't have another blood test for awhile, but guess I just need to go by how I'm feeling instead and keep learning. Should I address the low dosage per my weight or just let the test try to start working and give it a chance?
Megatron28
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Getting dialed in is the hardest part, but certainly one you can do. It just takes time, patience and frequent blood work.
I would lay off the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if I were you. It is much tougher to increase your estradiol than it is to lower it. The best way to know if you need to start adding in Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is by getting a blood test. By far the best way.
Symptoms you can look for are acne, nipple sensitivity or feeling bloated. Those are signs of high E2. But what I have learned is that your brain messes with you. You feel a twinge near your nipple and next thing you are checking for gyno.
