Low Test 6 Weeks After PCT

[X1DX]

Hello all, very confused and dissapointed with my last bloodwork results. 23 years old. Ended my cycle +15 pounds at 205, but I've lost 10 of those pounds bringing me back to 195.My cycle was

Test E 400 MG/WK 1-10
Epi-strong week 4-10
HCG 250 IU 2x week 5-10
HCG blast 500 IU from day after last shot till four days before PCT
Arimidex .5MG EOD

PCT: Clomid 50MG e/d 1-30
DAA: Day 1-30
Activate Xtreme 15-45

I have gotten bloodwork a total of three times.

Two weeks into PCT:
Total Test: 629
LH: 7.7
FSH: 3.7
Estradiol: 21.5

Two weeks into PCT I tested to make sure all was on track. I was lower but thought I was on the road to recovery.
Testosterone: 449
LH: 3.7
FSH: 1.7
Estradiol: 9.6 (7.6-42.6)

Fast forward to now I got bloodwork 6 weeks after PCT, completely shut down
Testosterone: 268
LH: 1.4
FSH 1.0
Estradiol <6.0

I am very confused at what approach to take now. I would think attempting a restart with a SERM would be the next move, but since my body is not making any estrogen anyway, won't a serm be useless anyway since barely any estrogen should be binding to the receptors as it is? I am also confused at how my body was making LH immediately after Clomid, but now it has completely stopped. I'm rather confused. It seems that my testes are working fine but that my HPTA is not sending the signal. I do have some script grade Clomid on the way and I have one 5,000 iu vial on the way. Is it advisable to attempt another restart?

 

[Rida5d]

I didn't go through everything but here is what I think
1- u should have used hcg from 1st week.
2- nolvadex is missing in ur pct. Clomid/nolvadex both insure a better recovery.
3- daa won't do nothing

What the heck is activate xtreme?

 

[X1DX]

Activate Xtreme is just a natty test booster. Was just used a libido booster mainly. I know the HCG should've been used from week one, but the first vial I got was bunk. So took a few weeks for me to get script grade. Either way, doesn't the bloodwork indicate a problem with my pituitary and not my testes? It seems that as LH dropped so did testosterone.

 

[X1DX]

I plan to run a second PCT including both Nolva and Clomid, but my question is if I should do another quick HCG blast to get my balls going again since they're shut down. I have two theories so hopefully someone more knowledgeable can chime in. The HCG will help my balls get back up to speed and make for a better recovery if my HPTA responds this time. But, using HCG before clomid would shut my HPTA down once again possibly inflicting more damage. I am not sure which is the better bet in this situation. Any advice is appreciated. I only have one 5000iu vial of HCG so not sure what I should do in my situation. Got clomid on hand and nolva is on the way.

 

[HammerT1]

Have you looked into triptorelin? I've heard a lot of good things about it. No personel experience though.

 

[X1DX]

I actually have a bottle of triptorelin that I ordered a while back sitting in a drawer. However the lack of research and skepticism out there makes me really weary to use it. I'd probably use that as a last resort if my second PCT pails.

 

[HammerT1]

Everything, I did read it's a one injection is all it takes. I've heard a lot of positive from guys who said they had been shut down hard some for extended periods, other attempts failed and it worked for them. It sounded promising which I why I mentioned it. But reading on a forum versus actual proof, studies etc are not the same thing. Just wanted to mention it.

Good luck, hope the restart works for you.

 

[Rida5d]

Have you looked into triptorelin? I've heard a lot of good things about it. No personel experience though.

can u elaborate please?
what is triptorelin?

 

[MustangDX]

Hello all, very confused and dissapointed with my last bloodwork results. 23 years old. Ended my cycle +15 pounds at 205, but I've lost 10 of those pounds bringing me back to 195.My cycle was

Test E 400 MG/WK 1-10
Epi-strong week 4-10
HCG 250 IU 2x week 5-10
HCG blast 500 IU from day after last shot till four days before PCT
Arimidex .5MG EOD

PCT: Clomid 50MG e/d 1-30
DAA: Day 1-30
Activate Xtreme 15-45

I have gotten bloodwork a total of three times.

Two weeks into PCT:
Total Test: 629
LH: 7.7
FSH: 3.7
Estradiol: 21.5

Two weeks into PCT I tested to make sure all was on track. I was lower but thought I was on the road to recovery.
Testosterone: 449
LH: 3.7
FSH: 1.7
Estradiol: 9.6 (7.6-42.6)

Fast forward to now I got bloodwork 6 weeks after PCT, completely shut down
Testosterone: 268
LH: 1.4
FSH 1.0
Estradiol <6.0

I am very confused at what approach to take now. I would think attempting a restart with a SERM would be the next move, but since my body is not making any estrogen anyway, won't a serm be useless anyway since barely any estrogen should be binding to the receptors as it is? I am also confused at how my body was making LH immediately after Clomid, but now it has completely stopped. I'm rather confused. It seems that my testes are working fine but that my HPTA is not sending the signal. I do have some script grade Clomid on the way and I have one 5,000 iu vial on the way. Is it advisable to attempt another restart?

1) You were too young to cycle
2) Should have taken 500mgs for 12 weeks
3) Shouldn't have added a pro-hormone. Good luck with your liver
4) Should have taken the HCG from week 1 until the 4th day before PCT. There's no need to BLAST it.
5) Should have used Nolvadex and Clomid for PCT.
6) You're supposed to take a blood test before the cycle, mid-cycle and then 6 weeks after your PCT.

 

[kataklysum]

his liver will be fine.

op how long after last pin did you start pct? i think this could be the issue. please dont say 2 weeks.

 

[X1D]

My liver values are in range. I know I cycled too young, I've now learned my lesson. No plans to cycle in the future. I did start pct two weeks after, however the last two weeks I dropped the dose to 250MG and 150MG respectively so that i would be able to start PCT two weeks after. I'm going to do another PCT with clomid and nolva, I'm just not sure if I should use the HCG and shut down my HPTA once again before using Clomid and Nolva. By doing HCG I'd go into the restart with a decent testosterone level but with a fully shutdown HPTA, and by jumping straight on clomid and nolva I'd basically start where I left off as far as recovery but with the possible lag time of my boys coming back