Low test after blood work/clomid for recovery??

[sessa101]

Update: New blood work

Yes, you are missing a few things. Don't run hCG now. That should have been used prior to running SERM(s). Running it now would suppress your HPTA.

Do not run blood work yet. Wait 5 more weeks. It is too soon.

New results after 6 weeks:

Total Test: 438
Free Test: 60.8
Estrogen: 113.6
LH - 2.8
FSH - 1.8

I still think I should be closer to 600-650 for only being 26. I have been to three endo docs now and they either don't know this field because they treat diabetes or they think my levels are "good enough" to be healthy. With this in my mind I would like advice as far as trying another hpta restart but this time with HCG first then Clomid. Or maybe consider an extended period of both..?

Diet has been on point. Learned to count macros, protein is over 200 daily and I am eating only good fats and lots of them, moderate carb intake timed with meals.

Workouts Also on point, mon-sat at 5 am for 1-1.5 hours. Focusing on strength training (5x5, under 6 reps heavy, etc) and doing all my complex lifts, (deads, squats, bench, overhead press, pull downs etc.)

Sleep is at least 7.5 hours a night at the same time.

Supplements include nightly zma, fish oil 2x daily, bcaas, iso-whey, kre alkalyn creatine and multi.



Thoughts?

 

[JimiThing]

New results after 6 weeks:

Total Test: 438
Free Test: 60.8
Estrogen: 113.6
LH - 2.8
FSH - 1.8

I still think I should be closer to 600-650 for only being 26. I have been to three endo docs now and they either don't know this field because they treat diabetes or they think my levels are "good enough" to be healthy. With this in my mind I would like advice as far as trying another hpta restart but this time with HCG first then Clomid. Or maybe consider an extended period of both..?

Diet has been on point. Learned to count macros, protein is over 200 daily and I am eating only good fats and lots of them, moderate carb intake timed with meals.

Workouts Also on point, mon-sat at 5 am for 1-1.5 hours. Focusing on strength training (5x5, under 6 reps heavy, etc) and doing all my complex lifts, (deads, squats, bench, overhead press, pull downs etc.)

Sleep is at least 7.5 hours a night at the same time.

Supplements include nightly zma, fish oil 2x daily, bcaas, iso-whey, kre alkalyn creatine and multi.



Thoughts?

What are those free test numbers measured in? they dont look right.... im used to ng/dl
The reason I ask is that the number id pay most attention too, that and symptomology

 

[sessa101]

What are those free test numbers measured in? they dont look right.... im used to ng/dl
The reason I ask is that the number id pay most attention too, that and symptomology

It reads like this:

Name------------------------------------------Value----------------Reference Range-------------------Lab
F Testosterone, Total, LC/MS/MS -------------- 438------------------ 50-1100 (ng/dL)--------------- --SLI
F Free Testosterone ------------------------------60.8------------------35.0-155.0 (pg/mL----------------SLI

I have attached a couple charts here. The first is test levels in normal range and the second is an average range.
View attachment 563942View attachment 563943

 

[Megatron28]

New results after 6 weeks:

Total Test: 438
Free Test: 60.8
Estrogen: 113.6
LH - 2.8
FSH - 1.8

I still think I should be closer to 600-650 for only being 26. I have been to three endo docs now and they either don't know this field because they treat diabetes or they think my levels are "good enough" to be healthy. With this in my mind I would like advice as far as trying another hpta restart but this time with HCG first then Clomid. Or maybe consider an extended period of both..?

Diet has been on point. Learned to count macros, protein is over 200 daily and I am eating only good fats and lots of them, moderate carb intake timed with meals.

Workouts Also on point, mon-sat at 5 am for 1-1.5 hours. Focusing on strength training (5x5, under 6 reps heavy, etc) and doing all my complex lifts, (deads, squats, bench, overhead press, pull downs etc.)

Sleep is at least 7.5 hours a night at the same time.

Supplements include nightly zma, fish oil 2x daily, bcaas, iso-whey, kre alkalyn creatine and multi.



Thoughts?

It isn't about what you think your TT should be at. You need to compare it to your pre-cycle baseline levels. Did you get blood work prior to your first cycle to establish you Natty Baseline?

And what time of the day was your blood drawn at for these labs?

 

[weavy88]

One thing I'll always say to guys looking for more natty test is this: Supplement D3! Studies have shown that 75% of americans are deficient in this vital nutrient, and individuals with low levels of vitamin D have shown to have, on average, 25% lower test levels than men without a deficiency. It's cheap as fuck so might as well run it for a few weeks and then get bloodwork for total test and vitamin D levels.

 

[Megatron28]

One thing I'll always say to guys looking for more natty test is this: Supplement D3! Studies have shown that 75% of americans are deficient in this vital nutrient, and individuals with low levels of vitamin D have shown to have, on average, 25% lower test levels than men without a deficiency. It's cheap as fuck so might as well run it for a few weeks and then get bloodwork for total test and vitamin D levels.

Well... Supplement it if you are deficient. Too much Vitamin D can be harmful. But in general your recommended is a good one.