Lowest Effective HCG Dose - User Expierences

[Jimstigator]

Hey fellas,

I have read the studies and understand that 250iu twice a week is considered the standard when adding HCG to a TRT regimen. My body (nips) hate HCG... and from what I gather around the internet, I am not alone. The stuff is like gyno in a bottle for me. Even controlling estrogen (knocking it down to an E2 of 5) I have trouble. Anyway, I've seen a few guys say even 250iu twice a week is too much, and they run lower.

When I say effective, I mean, effective dose at keeping testes reasonably intact.

Do any of you have experience with the lower doses? Ex. 100iu twice a week. Or some type of every day dose?

Thanks!
Jim

 

[Alpin]

If u have primary hypogonadism you will need a higher dose of HCG. 250 I.u. is peanuts even for most guys with secondary hypogonadism.

 

[Jimstigator]

I am big time secondary. My nuts work perfectly. Low dose Nolva/Clomid can keep me pumping out 900+ total T. Problem is I get sides from both, and drop off when I stop taking them.

I just get such a huge response from a 250iu shot. Like my entire body feels it for days, and not in a good way. I loose appetite, feel flush, nips light on fire. I've had E2 (sensitive estradiol) tested during this and again... even at 5, I was hurting.

Is there a possibility that 250iu/2x week is much too high for someone whos testes are running great?

-Jim

 

[CobraMustangSVT]

I took 250iu's twice a week (Mon and Thursday). My testes got soft in a couple of weeks.

I then went to 250iu's three times a week (Mon, Wed, Fri). I'm good on that.

I upper my dose to 300 for a couple of weeks and tolerated it so now I'm at 350iu's 3X a week and I'm going see what that does for me.

 

[JimiThing]

There is a trend that leans twords low daily dosing. 100ius.day. Maybe that would be better for you.

 

[Jimstigator]

There is a trend that leans twords low daily dosing. 100ius.day. Maybe that would be better for you.

There any standard adjustment made to the test cyp dose to compensate for the increase in testicular T production from HCG? For someone like myself (secondary), that much stimulation from HCG will likely push T way up. For reference - I started my TRT at 140mg test cyp a week, spread over a few injections, and 250iu HCG twice a week - my total T was over 1500 within a week or two. I am trying to stay around 800.

Also - any chance the initial shitty sides of adding HCG go away over time? I read one guy, on another forum, say on his second try with HCG, he stuck it out, and started to feel more positive than negative sides after a few weeks.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

I am big time secondary. My nuts work perfectly. Low dose Nolva/Clomid can keep me pumping out 900+ total T. Problem is I get sides from both, and drop off when I stop taking them.

I just get such a huge response from a 250iu shot. Like my entire body feels it for days, and not in a good way. I loose appetite, feel flush, nips light on fire. I've had E2 (sensitive estradiol) tested during this and again... even at 5, I was hurting.

Is there a possibility that 250iu/2x week is much too high for someone whos testes are running great?

-Jim

I lose appetite too on high dose HCG....lose weight too.
None of the rest of the side effects you mentioned though.
You have an A.i. on hand?

 

[Jimstigator]

I lose appetite too on high dose HCG....lose weight too.
None of the rest of the side effects you mentioned though.
You have an A.i. on hand?

Interesting about the appetite, although for me, this occurs at 200iu E3D. All of my treatment is done via Dr, just waiting for appointment next Sat. I have Adex, Nolva, and Cabergoline on hand. Currently take adex and caber. Adex .25 EOD, Caber .5mg twice a week.

Whats odd is, as far as I know, I do everything to treat gyno. I am on an AI, with estrogen controlled. I take Cabergoline to keep prolactin under control, AND, I used Nolva to try and reduce the initial gyno flare when I started HCG. The burn kept going until I dropped the HCG. Its like super freak gyno induced by the HCG thats immune to everything.

Maybe I am extremely sensitive to HCG? I have nothing to lose really at this point while I wait. I have my next HCG injection tomorrow. Was thinking about trying 100iu E3D, or even something like 50iu QD.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

I lose appetite at more than 500 I.u. dosing and noticeable when at 1500 I.u. per week.

 

[Alpin]

100 I.u. E3D is a mickey mouse dose.
If you are that low in gonadotropins why not avoid the HCG and try your luck with a Triptorelin restart thru s qualified medical practitioner?

 

[Jimstigator]

100 I.u. E3D is a mickey mouse dose.
If you are that low in gonadotropins why not avoid the HCG and try your luck with a Triptorelin restart thru s qualified medical practitioner?

In all my readings, across numerous forums, over many years - I have never seen a mention of "Triptorelin". This common practice?

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

Depends....
Some ppl it did something for 8 months then stopped working. It stimulates the hypothalamus.

 

[Alpin]

What were your baseline T, LH, FSH levels before treatment?