Making a deal with the devil. Its an expensive habit isn't it?

[GetSwoleToday]

So I was thinking today how glad I am that I took Megatrons advice and stopped using gear after 3 days. This will save me a lot of headaches and money. My point is, if in fact you start using gear and go through a cycle, your body will never be the same ever again. You will have to rely on gear for the rest of your life pretty much to increase enough testosterone to create growth. You more than likely will never ever be able to grow muscle on your own again unless you went off the juice for a very long time with lots of therapy. Therefore if you were to say use gear for 5 years and you got big, but then decided one day to get off of it, all the gains you made would be lost eventually. Your body would not have the testosterone to support the maintenance of those muscles.

Am I right or wrong?

Even if you did PCT therapy you sill would lose about half of what you gained in 5 years.

Also over the course of time, the more gear you put in your body, the more your body needs. Therefore its more money each time you want to buy a cycle. More mg's you need to put in your body each time. More money spent on PCT as well. That means that you better have lots of money if you are going to juice and do it successfully. Professional athletes spend 50 grand a year on Gear on average.

 

[Enthusiast]

Recovery is never guaranteed regardless of of it us your 2nd cycle or your 20th.
Some people have great genetics and will recover 100% after every cycle.
For the same reason some people will need trt after their 1st cycle.

If you can recover 100% your muscle will drop down to whatever your natural limit is when you are off gear so essentially whatever your natural T levels will support.

Some people say you can maintain muscle beyond your natural limit and some don't believe you can. It's all genetics at that point.

Edit: 50 grand? Where did you pull this magic number from? Seems like thin air and speculation to me.

 

[GetSwoleToday]

Recovery is never guaranteed regardless of of it us your 2nd cycle or your 20th.
Some people have great genetics and will recover 100% after every cycle.
For the same reason some people will need trt after their 1st cycle.

If you can recover 100% your muscle will drop down to whatever your natural limit is when you are off gear so essentially whatever your natural T levels will support.

Some people say you can maintain muscle beyond your natural limit and some don't believe you can. It's all genetics at that point.

Edit: 50 grand? Where did you pull this magic number from? Seems like thin air and speculation to me.

I wouldn't doubt if someone is spending 50 grand on gear per year and they have millions of dollars.

 

[Enthusiast]

You wouldn't doubt and actually having proof are totally different things.

 

[Havasu]

The amount of money earned does not equal the amount of money spent on gear. That person still only needs so much gear per year, and the prices are the same for them as everyone else. The number of 50,000 is ridiculously high. Only a Pro Body Builder could come anywhere near that level of cost, and that would have to include true HGH that might be costing them ######### per month.

 

[GetSwoleToday]

The amount of money earned does not equal the amount of money spent on gear. That person still only needs so much gear per year, and the prices are the same for them as everyone else. The number of 50,000 is ridiculously high. Only a Pro Body Builder could come anywhere near that level of cost, and that would have to include true HGH that might be costing them ###### per month.

They can't feel good taking that much gear can they?

 

[Enthusiast]

They can't feel good taking that much gear can they?

Well if you've ever had high T levels then you know you feel pretty damn amazing.
The superman effect, I would think they probably have good days and bad days. What probably gets them the most is the ton of food they have to eat, feeling bloated and everything else that comes along with it.

 

[HonkyMcMofo]

Nice anti roid circle jerk going on in here.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Well I don't know why you would think most of the things you posted. I was on for 2 years and fully recovered and kept my gains and got my wife pregnant 1 and half months later.

 

[Havasu]

Nice anti roid circle jerk going on in here.

Actually only the OP has made anti-aas statements. Everyone else has just refuted the ridiculousness of those statements.

 

[Cheph]

I think i speak for most members on her when i say you are a moron. Not once in any of your threads have you had a single valid point. You go from trying to convince ppl that anavar only cycle for guys is a good idea (because you failed to do research ahead of time) and now your here with this bullshit thread crying about nonsense. I've gained almost 50lb make in the last 3 years with the help of aas and now am going 8 weeks since end of cycle and all I've "lost" is mostly water weight.

I mean seriously, where are you getting this so called "info" from ? Or are you making it up as you go ? Why don't you just stop trolling. Thanks

 

[Enthusiast]

Actually only the OP has made anti-aas statements. Everyone else has just refuted the ridiculousness of those statements.

Haha that's exactly what I was thinking

Also agree with Cheph, seems to be a lot of misinformation floating around.

 

[HonkyMcMofo]

Actually only the OP has made anti-aas statements. Everyone else has just refuted the ridiculousness of those statements.

You are right. I should have mentioned it was a one man circle

 

[juced_porkchop]

So I was thinking today how glad I am that I took Megatrons advice and stopped using gear after 3 days. This will save me a lot of headaches and money. My point is, if in fact you start using gear and go through a cycle, your body will never be the same ever again. You will have to rely on gear for the rest of your life pretty much to increase enough testosterone to create growth. You more than likely will never ever be able to grow muscle on your own again unless you went off the juice for a very long time with lots of therapy. Therefore if you were to say use gear for 5 years and you got big, but then decided one day to get off of it, all the gains you made would be lost eventually. Your body would not have the testosterone to support the maintenance of those muscles.

Am I right or wrong?

Even if you did PCT therapy you sill would lose about half of what you gained in 5 years.

Also over the course of time, the more gear you put in your body, the more your body needs. Therefore its more money each time you want to buy a cycle. More mg's you need to put in your body each time. More money spent on PCT as well. That means that you better have lots of money if you are going to juice and do it successfully. Professional athletes spend 50 grand a year on Gear on average.

you are wrong on many points.. but I am glad you stopped while you research this field that you do not seem to fully understand.
good luck! : )

 

[juced_porkchop]

actually your post it soo lost im just trying not to laugh..

 

[cybrsage]

He does bring up a good point about cost. Unless it is breaking some rule or etiquette, I am curious how much people spend each month on their gear. I am only on TRT and about to be on hCG, as well as some Cialis, so for me it is VERY cheap - considering the test is via prescription. I spend about $#### a month. Not that I spend it each month (a bottle of liquid Cialis lasts quite a long time for me), but that is what it averages out to be. This does not include food.

What do you all spend?

 

[juced_porkchop]

price talk is frowned upon in open here... leads to BS and scammers etc. I would keep details vague at the very least.

 

[cybrsage]

Thanks, I rescind my question then.

 

[jozifp103]

the way i see it, things are only expensive if the cost exceeds the value. Value is relative. For people like us, who truly value a good appearance and a bodybuilding lifestyle, we value our steroids. For us, the value exceeds the cost so it is well worth it. your numbers are way off too btw. nobody spends even close to that amount yearly.

some people really enjoy bicycling, so they buy an expensive ass bike and expensive ass gear. to me, it's a waste. to someone who's life revolves around biking, it's priceless.

 

[ImAuNatural]

the way i see it, things are only expensive if the cost exceeds the value. Value is relative. For people like us, who truly value a good appearance and a bodybuilding lifestyle, we value our steroids. For us, the value exceeds the cost so it is well worth it. your numbers are way off too btw. nobody spends even close to that amount yearly.

some people really enjoy bicycling, so they buy an expensive ass bike and expensive ass gear. to me, it's a waste. to someone who's life revolves around biking, it's priceless.

Or someone who loves gaming buys a $3k computer. Pointless to most people but to them they love it and its worth it. There are so many more analogies that could be used but I agree with jozifp103.