MBE/UPS box or PO box? (sorry similar thread lol)

panteracfh

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alot of people have different opinions, i even heard one story where a guy was getting his packages at MBE and they were peaking in them and he started getting them already opened and then stopped getting them... also, the fact that a PO has so much mail going through, they wouldn't even check twice.... ALL is going to be domestic, so what do you think?
 
Go to your local MBE and get a feel for the people there. A small operation is nice as long as they are professionals. I can just call up, the dude knows immediatly if I got something or not.

About the post office...check what twice? It's absolutely no ones business but yours pertaining to whats in your mail.
 
yeah its not there business, but some people make it their business... you know? And not directly to my house because if its a big order, most say not to send to your house... I guess if it is always USPS, i knowyou don't have to sign for it, but i don't want a controlled watch of me picking it up and taking it in.... can they do that?? Am i safe as long as i keep it domestic? i just want to worry less... right now its just small packages but if i stat ordering more at a time will it get suspicious??
 
panteracfh said:
I guess if it is always USPS, i knowyou don't have to sign for it, but i don't want a controlled watch of me picking it up and taking it in.... can they do that?? Am i safe as long as i keep it domestic? i just want to worry less... right now its just small packages but if i stat ordering more at a time will it get suspicious??

Yes they can do a controlled delivery at either your house or your box. All you have to do is take it into your possession. Are you safe as long as you stay domestic...you are never safe ordering illegal items through the mail...period. Some people seem to believe that they are safer using domestics since they don't have to worry about random inspections of their packs. Still I'd say over 99% of those intl packs that are opened are simply confiscated and a letter sent. On the other hand, if the feds are watching your domestic souce and they find out that you are ordering so much as a single d-bol, expect a visit. They will definately charge you and attempt to get you to roll on the source. Some say the odds of that are very slim, but it has happened before on at least a few occasions since I have been on the boards. So basically the point is, there is no such thing as safe!
 
i guess the word i should of used is SAFER...lol... that would work better i guess... i guess it would be perfect if you source only did domestic for his supplies and then you got from him and that was domestic, and your sources source was domestic...lol then it would be ALOT SAFERRRR... but i will take safer over not...
 
panteracfh said:
i guess the word i should of used is SAFER...lol... that would work better i guess... i guess it would be perfect if you source only did domestic for his supplies and then you got from him and that was domestic, and your sources source was domestic...lol then it would be ALOT SAFERRRR... but i will take safer over not...

LOL!

Honestly, and I'm sure there will be plenty that disagree, but I seriously do not think domestics are any safer than some of the better international sources. IMO, it all goes back to the source. How good they are...ie how much they look after YOUR safety & how much they look after their own in the case of domestics. Its been a while since I've heard of a string of bros go down because of a careless source & I think that may have given a false sense of security with domestics, but imo it could certainly happen again...
 
well i would disagree because with domestic, there isn't even the element of international... so i mean thats a whole other obstacle and makes a HUGE differnece... you have to admit that, i mean,in the limited amount of controled deliveries there are ever, how many would you say are domestic and how many intntl? its gotta be like 100 to 1
 
panteracfh said:
well i would disagree because with domestic, there isn't even the element of international... so i mean thats a whole other obstacle and makes a HUGE differnece... you have to admit that, i mean,in the limited amount of controled deliveries there are ever, how many would you say are domestic and how many intntl? its gotta be like 100 to 1

Well if you exclude sources, or those receiving huge amounts of gear, I would honestly have to say that I've heard of more people going down in domestic stings than receiving Intl, by a long shot. Here's a link to a bust just a few weeks back (Lexingtonians charged with selling steroids). I know it says LEO got an anon tip, but read on down about what happened in St. Louis and Mississippi. Always funny how they get those anon tips when they need a warrant, huh? Anyway, if you'll notice they got the addressees / customers to roll on the source too. Think they got a visit? Yeah I can honestly say I've heard of several such cases and even personally know someone that has been raided through a domestic sting. However, rarely have I heard of someone getting paid a visit that just ordered a small amount of gear (gear only, no rec drugs) from an intl source. Don't get me wrong, it does happen, but IMO not as many are hit. Just my two cents...
 
well, you would def know more than me... honestly i had no worries about domestic, but i'll take more precausions knowing this stuff... Thanks for the info...
 
IMO, legally your domestic mail has more privacy rights than international shipments. When you order, make sure your source is protecting you. Are they using encrypted mail? Will they send delivery confirmation but not signature required? True, controlled deliveries require you take possession, but there is a difference between taking possession of just the one package from a PO box that nothing else gets mailed to and taking possession as incident by retrieving all your mail from the box and this package just happened to be in with your mail. It could later be argued that you were simply retrieving your mail and didnt scrutinize the "package" and therefore was not aware of "it". Dont think these are not mitigating factors. Any good attorney will tell you that first he must challenge the validity of the charge, the legality of the warrant and the issuance of rights, then he must attack the evidence to supress what he can, then he must attack any testimoney given to strike or rebut what he can, then of what remains he must mitigate and mitigate and mitigate, then file a string of objections just in case of conviction to give a possibility for remand upon appeal. Dont ever by big, if you exceed a certain quantity, you step up to with intent to distribute and the penalty is much greater. Buy within the personal use guidline for your state, buy domestically, no signature, to your house is fine, just not often, and I would always leave anything suspicious I found in my mail laying outside for a while just for good measure.
 
Oldschool definately hits on a good point. While i don't necessarily agree that domestic is any safer, as I think even though your pack can be opened without a warrant internationally it typically results in nothing more than seizure, I do agree with a couple of points he touches on. First, keep the orders small. "Stocking up" is not as good an idea as it sounds sometimes. We are literally talking about the difference in you just having to pay out a little money as opposed to possibly losing your freedom (or atleast the very little bit you get in this country). Also, he touches on what an good attorney can do for you as well. If you are ever caught, the first person and only person you should talk to is an attorney, & don't be cheap! Get the best you can afford, there is truely a world of difference. So in summary, order small, if you're caught get a good attorney & for Christs sake KEEP YOUR DAMN MOUTH SHUT! LEO will try to put pressure on you to talk, but you know who usually gets hurt the worst by talking? The one doing it! Don't tie your attorneys hands, believe me, he or she will be charging you a lot of money for their services...give them the opportunity to earn it!
 
Well said. Let your attorney do there job and refuse to answer anything. Even simple non related questions. They are a trap most times. It starts....so , your a big guy, huh? ...yeah I guess I am.....you must work out....yeah I do.....working out gets you pretty big huh?...yeah it does.....steroids get you big too dont they?.....yeah I guess....do you use steroids... as you see, a talented interviewer can work you without your knowledge. Police cant offer deals or promise to go easy on you for answering their questions, only the DA, so why would you waste time talking to anyone but the DA and why do so with an attorney. Just my op. Cheers.
 
Many people tell me that you should get a PO box, preferably with a fake ID. I do not see the logic in that advice. If you DO get popped, and it is determined you used a fake ID, AND the pack was mailed to that name, then you look guilty as hell.

On the other hand. If it is mailed to your house and delivered along with your regular mail, you can always make the argument you knew nothing about it. Am I right about this?

I too believe it is safer to purchase domestic. Customs has many origin mailings flagged, and international mail can be inspected, while domestic priority can not without just cause. That said, I agree with cisco that it seems int'l usually just gets seized. My perception is that with domestic, if it does get intercepted, you'll usually get a visit from the local authorities.
 
JerseyPaul said:
Many people tell me that you should get a PO box, preferably with a fake ID. I do not see the logic in that advice. If you DO get popped, and it is determined you used a fake ID, AND the pack was mailed to that name, then you look guilty as hell.

Good point, but forget about looking guilty as hell, its actually mail fraud, a federal offense! Now I see nothing wrong with using a box, atleast if you go down, you aren't bringing anyone you live with into it. They'll just get ya right there, but I see no advantage of the fake ID. When they set you up and pop you at your box, the fake name isn't gonna do you a darn bit of good. In fact, they will just have another charge on you, a pretty serious one in fact!
 
Agreed. Back to the box. I thought about getting one for that very reason. Not getting my family involved if I'm a target of a controlled delivery. But if you do get bagged at the PO or MBE, you don't think they'll get a warrant and search your residence? Of course they will. Also, even with a correct name, I think it still looks suspicious that you have a PO box. Which brings me back to why a PO box? It just costs money, and I don't see any real advantage.
 
JerseyPaul said:
But if you do get bagged at the PO or MBE, you don't think they'll get a warrant and search your residence? Of course they will.

No, they very likely will NOT search your home. Those that I've encountered who got popped at their box, didn't get their homes searched. Why would they? THink about it. How many people do you hear about getting their home searched if their caught with a bag of weed or coke in their car? They never go search their homes. They have no reason to. Keep in mind we are talking about personal amounts here. If you are ordering 100's of amps, then all bets are off! Otherwise, it just doesn't happen. If you happen to know of a case I'd be intrerested to hear about it.

Just my two cents, but a box is the only way to go unless you live by yourself. I just don't think its very cool bringing someone else in to it, esp kids.
 
Actually I do know of a case. A guy had a int'l pack with 250 dbols sent to a box. They arrested him at a MBE, then went to his house and proceeded to ransack the house. His house was clean. Just because you take possession of the package, does not mean you are guilty, unlike having a bag of weed in your possesion. If you stick to your story that you must have received the package by accident, how can they prove otherwise? But if they search your residence and find a couple of vials of test, syringes, pins, etc, you're cooked. BTW, this guy did have all charges dismissed.

Another point I read on Rick Collins legal muscle site. It was a case in theory to make some points, but a guy picked up a package and was then followed by the police and pulled over in a tunnel in New Jersey. Here is the quote " If a school happens to be located near the tunnel, you're in a world of hurt. Jersey has guidelines that give you mandatory prison without parole for drug crimes that take place within "drug-free school zones" even if you don't know the school is there!" No thanks. I'll take my chances with deliveries directly to my house.
 
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