Mike's First Dbol/Test Cyp...Need Suggestions

[alldayeveryday]

You're headed in the right direction with dropping the D for first and hitting the aromasin daily at first. See how you respond first time and then as you go forward, you'll know exactly what you need. I've always done aroma/tamox and have gone to eod. For me, I felt as though my body acclimated to the test and 500-700 of test weekly is not ridiculous enough to cause any estro side effects unless you're really prone.

Next cycle when you add D, always remember any Orals should ALWAYS, in my experience, be a supplement to your Base Test injectables. No need to get fancy. Test E or Cyp will work for life.

Cardio? FOR SURE. I am 5'10 190-200 and usually very lean but I definitely use cardio to burn fat. I stay at 4,000-5,000 a day regularly but I'm an old man (40) that has worked my way up to those calories and they are clean. I'd start out at 3,500 and monitor your weight and adjust after 4 weeks. Unless you're genetically freaky lean, you'll need cardio and doing it consistently will definitely help your heart and keep your cholesterol reasonable. One other thing I don't hear that much talk about, FIBER. Getting a lot of your carbs through whole grain will give it to you without supplementation and it will help you if you're looking at a lifetime of gear, which imo is the only way to go into gear. Getting in shape is easy, maintaining it for a healthy, strong, productive lifestyle is the trick.

Good Luck and nice job with planning ahead (stick to your plan and don't just pop a needle everytime you want more results).

 

[TheyCallMeMike]

Thanks for the support and the good luck wishes. I appreciate everything thats been said. I'll definatley take everything you said, and everything everyone has suggested into consideration. I'll be following my plan in detail, and trying to lookout for changes that may need to be made based on my body's reaction to the wonderful things to come haha.

The only thing i still feel uneasy about is my diet. I push myself hard enough in the gym, I feel I know how to work my body enough without going overboard, and without slacking so I'm confident on that end. But the diet is a whole new ball game. I find it harder for me especially because my body has a tendency to store fat, and I can't seem to shred it without feeling like my muscle mass is taking a hit.

I've come to the conclusion, that i need a simple bulk and then cut. My body doesn't do the whole "burn fat while building lean muscle" thing, but maybe the gear will help with that? I think not based on what I've ready about test.

If i do go for the bulk, followed by a cut, how long should a wait after my PCT is complete to begin my cut? Or can I start during my post cycle therapy (pct)? Any suggestions of a good cutting plan, haven't had much luck in past attempts.

Thanks again guys

 

[bigherm2121]

Well if you get blood work done before during and after you'll be cool. You wanna typically wait untill your natty test is completely recovered. At least that's what I do. You don't wanna cut cals because you don't wanna lose muscle you just put on. But everyone loses a little bit.

 

[TheyCallMeMike]

Also posted this in the diet section, but ill post here too, maybe ill get more of a response, here goes!

I've been training for about three years and I've selected a test cycle that best suits my needs, but I need to make sure I really prep my diet to maximize my experience.

Some Stats:
5'10, 190lbs, 25yrs, bf ~19%

The Cycle:
Week 1-12 test cyp (500mg/week)
Week 14-16 post cycle therapy (pct) Nolva (40mg/d)
Week 16-18 Nolva (20mg/d)
Week 14-17 clomid (50mg/d)
Week 1-17 Aromasin (12.5mg/ed)

Looking to:
Develop a diet that helps my maximize my gains. I am looking to bulk, but obviously with my higher than normal bf% id like to keep the fat down (I know its unrealistic to try to gain muscle while losing the fat).

The Questions:
Is it possible to structure my diet so my bulk doesn't produce as much, if any fat? In the "free diet advice from 3J" he gives a sample bulk diet and a same cut diet. Is it possible for someone of my body type/bf% to use that cut diet while on my cycle? Will it be enough intake to still gain muscle? I guess I'm looking to grow, but as lean as possible, and I'd like to get the diet straightened out 100% before I even begin thinking about starting the cycle.

Thanks for reading guys, I appreciate anything/everything you have to add.

These are the sample diet's (BULK and CUT) that 3J gave.

I know I won't be following this diet specifically, I hope to have my own modified but just for easier reference, the two sample diets 3J gives are:

BULK
meal1 cal/fat/carb/pro
3 xl whole eggs 249/17.3/1.3/21.9
8 egg whites 137/0.4/1.9/28.8
1 cup oats 311/5.1/54.3/13


meal2 cal/fat/carb/pro
8oz chicken breast w/o skin 209/4.5/0/39.4
2 medium sweet potatos 230/0.4/53.5/4.1
1/2 tablespoon olive oil 60/6.8/0/0

meal3 cal/fat/carb/pro
8oz turkey breast 370/18.80/49
7oz yams 234/0.3/55.3/3.0
1 tablespoon olive oil 119/13.5/0/0

meal4 cal/fat/carb/pro
8oz salmon 331/13.4/0/491
1 cup red kidney beans 330/14.9/36.9/14

pwo cal/fat/carb/pro
whey shake 258/2/0/0/60
2 cup blueberries 165/1/42/2.1

meal 5 cal/fat/carb/pro
8oz chicken breast w/o skin 209/4.5/0/39.4
1 tablespoon olive oil 119/13.5/0/0

meal 6 cal/fat/carb/pro
8oz london broil 347/14.1/0/51.7
1 whole avocado 277/25.4/14.8/3.5


Daily totals

Calories: 4140 Fat: 157 Carbs: 320 Protien: 379

CUT
meal1 cal/fat/carb/pro
8 large egg whites 137/0.4/1.9/28.7
2 large whole eggs 167/12.2/1.3/12.3
1 cup oats 311/5.1/54.3/13

meal2 cal/fat/carb/pro
6oz chicken breast w/o skin 177/3.8/0/33.2
1/2 tablespoon olive oil 60/6.8/0/0
1 oz (about 22 pieces) almonds 172/15.6/5/6

meal3 cal/fat/carb/pro
6oz chicken breast w/o skin 177/3.8/0/33.2
1 1/2 medium sweet potato 172/0.3/40.1/3.1

pwo cal/fat/carb/pro
whey shake 258/2/0/60
1 white bagel 270/1.7/53/10.5

meal4 cal/fat/carb/pro
8oz turkey breast 379/18.8/0/49

meal5 cal/fat/carb/pro
8oz salmon 331/13.4/0/49

meal6 cal/fat/carb/pro
6oz london broil 260/10.6/0/38.8
1/2 avocado 138/12.7/7.4/1.7

also, 3 servings of veggies daily.. the greener they are the better it is... i usually do 2 cups of brocolli.. but its your disgretion
Daily Totals

Calories: 3008 Fat: 107.4 Carbs: 163 Protien: 278.6

 

[alldayeveryday]

Brother if you are really following that diet close, even if not the actual food, but the actual macronutrient (carb/fat/protein) and calorie count, you can totally cut fat while building muscle.

Just have to be realistic in what you expect. 12 week cycle can and should give you 10-12 lbs of quality muscle and you can definitely drop a good 5-7% body fat at same time.

I would "find your daily calorie number". Find what number of calories keeps you at same weight and then as youre cycling you can add or drop 700 calories to get where you want.

Don't forget the cardio. If you're focused on your diet you'll get where you want. You've got the right attitude!

 

[TheyCallMeMike]

I really appreciate that advice, I'll definatley be paying attention to my macro's. If I even get close to those gains/bf loss I'll be ecstatic! I think my daily calories number is about 2700. Does that sound right? I used an online BMI calculator

 

[Four1Thr33]

ya im 5'10 175lb but less BF my TDEE is 2900 so ya sounds pretty close

 

[TheyCallMeMike]

Do you guys know how long I should wait after injecting to hit the gym? Should I avoid legs on injection days?

Also should I begin my Aromasin the first day of my cycle, or wait a week or two?

 

[alldayeveryday]

I really appreciate that advice, I'll definatley be paying attention to my macro's. If I even get close to those gains/bf loss I'll be ecstatic! I think my daily calories number is about 2700. Does that sound right? I used an online BMI calculator

What's your age/height/weight and how many days a week train and how many cardio, (plus daily activity, (work) can also imapct calories)

 

[TheyCallMeMike]

Im 25 years old, 5'11, 190lbs, ~18%bf.

5-day split, lifting heavy, cardio 20-30 mins each workout day, sometimes cardio on rest days

 

[alldayeveryday]

Sounds perfect. Doing short amount 15-30 minutes after lifting helps me lower bf and doing 1 day a week of 45-60 also helps lower, keep heart strong, and also keep cholesterol low.

Sounds like youre right on. Keeping a "footnote in your head" of daily calories will really help you dial in your bf the closer you get.

What are you planning on for future cycles?

 

[Four1Thr33]

I inject and hit the gym right after. I don't get pain for like 24 hours

 

[alldayeveryday]

Do you guys know how long I should wait after injecting to hit the gym? Should I avoid legs on injection days?

Also should I begin my Aromasin the first day of my cycle, or wait a week or two?

Injecting and gym time - I wouldn't worry about pinning and gym time, and I personally would avoid legs and delts, but a lot of guys do it so its up to you. What I would do in relation to gym time is when "your feeling it" push hard, and when your not go light and focus on peak contraction and pump.

Aromasin - wait a week

 

[TheyCallMeMike]

Sounds good ill wait a week for the Aromasin. That cardio plan sounds good, i can manage that much easy. I'm just hopping that my bf% drops a bit, i don't wanna bloat but oh well I'll take what I can get. Just gonna train hard, and eat big.

As far as future cycles go, I'm thinking I'll wait to see how this test cup works out, maybe ill try it again with a dbol kicker since i already have some.

I'd love to do a cutting cycle after this cycle right before summer, but I don't think ill have time since this cycle is about 14 weeks + PCT.