Mitigating suppression while on LGD

[cybrsage]

Total bilirubin is really low at 0.4 mg/dL -- and unchanged from the baseline bloods I did before starting. I barely drink - maybe 1-2 drinks a month if that and I haven't at all since starting the cycle.

All I'm taking is LGD and MK-677. You stated before that LGD is not hard on the liver, and in all my research I haven't seen a mention of MK being problematic either... so the question remains, what could be causing the elevated values? Just working out harder?

I'm ordering UDCA from RUI as we speak. What is a good brand of NAC besides what RUI carries? I'll report back after my next test.

Thanks for your comments and guidance, much appreciated.

It does not seem like you have any real liver damage or disease or such, but something definitely is stressing it. It most likely is the LGD and you are one of the few who get that side effect from it. You know how drugs list a zillion side effects on them? That is because 1% of those who take them get one of those odd ones. I took androgel for my TRT because I was afraid of needles. I am one of the 1% who gets the mental side effects from the transport material (which contains lye!). I sufferent dysphoria, rage, sudden emotional shifts, anxiety (for the first time in my life), moodiness, suicidal thoughts, and it was all topped off by a nice layer of paranoia. So when my wife told me about the emotional hell I entered, I thought she was just trying to get me and control me and such.

So yeah, something is causing it. MK677 is not, if anything it should help your liver heal.

 

[Supernatural2015]

Gayeyes, If you normally have better readings on your bloodwork, only way to really tell is to test again before/after your next cycle. A mild infection can cause higher than normal readings and still be with in reason. If it replicates on your bloodwork again then you could likely say its something you took. I can't really tell much as mine were bout the same if I recall, but then I was a raging alcoholic for the better part of a decade. That was a long time ago but the damage has been done.

 

[gayeyes]

Hey guys, I just posted this on another thread but thought I'd come back here and close the loop with you. I just did post-cycle bloods.

First of all - liver is fine, enzymes back in check. I have to thank Jimi and Cybr for the tip about UDCA... 2 weeks on it did the trick. Thanks guys

Second - hormone levels. Conclusion, as expected - LGD is very suppressive, but won't shut you down entirely (at least not in 8 weeks). I ran Dermacrine as a test base - not sure to what extent that helped but my libido and erections were only affected very late in the cycle - late in week 7. Lethargy while present, was quite manageable and not too bad at all.

Third - watch out for your HDL levels - LGD will suppress it too. Not sure how to mitigate that... still researching. How detrimental is it to have low HDL for a couple months if your total cholesterol is still in range?

Here's a summary of my bloods.

[table="width: 500, class: grid"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]Pre-cycle[/td]
[td]Mid-cycle (4 wks)[/td]
[td]Post-cycle (8 wks)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Total test[/td]
[td]516[/td]
[td]98[/td]
[td]70[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]LH[/td]
[td]2.4[/td]
[td]1.5[/td]
[td]0.9[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]FSH[/td]
[td]2.7[/td]
[td]1.5[/td]
[td]1.1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Estradiol[/td]
[td]22.8[/td]
[td]26.2[/td]
[td]28.4[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Total Cholesterol[/td]
[td]156[/td]
[td]152[/td]
[td]134[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]HDL[/td]
[td]44[/td]
[td]28[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]LDL[/td]
[td]99[/td]
[td]105[/td]
[td]100[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

I should add that my cycle was an incredible success. I gained 15 lbs in the 8 weeks and PR'd in every single exercise at the gym. I was at about 400 cal surplus and gained very little if any body fat. Changes are dramatic enough that random people at work would notice and comment... what a nice feeling

I'm now focusing on preserving as much mass and strength as possible in PCT and beyond... learning through the PCT process... and already looking forward to another cycle later this year!

 

[Big_rich]

Nice bro good job. You should look into throwing some gw with your pct and post pct. It's non supressive and will help keep cortisol in check and keep your mood up and endurance high while going thru the tough pct and recovery process.

 

[gayeyes]

Nice bro good job. You should look into throwing some gw with your pct and post pct. It's non supressive and will help keep cortisol in check and keep your mood up and endurance high while going thru the tough pct and recovery process.

Thanks, Rich, will def consider that. It'd be good to lean out on PCT for an extra edge

 

[Big_rich]

Yea you'll love gw bro it's my favorite. I am very lean it helped me reach a new level of shreeded