How would i go down the route of finding If it was an allergy that as caused inflammation of fat across the entire of my body? If you mean allergy from eating chicken which is what i Think you mean then i highly doubt it as I was eating lots of chicken doing atkins 2 years after taking the drug.
Moon Face for 7 years! Please Help me. Tried various tests
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How would i go down the route of finding If it was an allergy that as caused inflammation of fat across the entire of my body? If you mean allergy from eating chicken which is what i Think you mean then i highly doubt it as I was eating lots of chicken doing atkins 2 years after taking the drug.
NO, i have barely been working out at all since i stopped the steroid. Just press ups every so often during the week but not for long. THats why i find it weird that i maintain muscle yet when i was lifting before taking the steroid i Would loose muscle easily. Now the muscle just stays there which makes me think it could be fluid along with rest of my body. However I dont have the bad edema look like people you see. Very minor throughout body.
I eat usually primal diet long term only. I do atkins on and off. Very low carbs 10-20grams of carbs. The most serious case of atkins I did was 17 days straight of atkins with few vegetables and chicken everyday.Around 5-10grams of carbs. I lost one stone and a half and still had those fat deposits all over my body.
I drink on average 2 litres of water a day. Sometimes 3 litres if im exercising, Ive tried to flush this fluid out I have with lots more water but still not joy.
appleton111
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oldmusclemike
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This ^^^^ and with seeing g your picture ,this is just you. It's been there for a long time and I believe it's gonna stay. If you BF% gets higher or just as it goes up ergo your moon face.
IMOP, from what little I see of you it appears to be appropriate.
In this case drinking more water as in "water in , Water out" is not relevant to this situation.
Like fat tissue you can't spot loose water. IE: your face.
Interesting,Thanks
I will be saving up for lipo suction now to get rid of it! Only option I'm left with and I'm a bit vein.
appleton111
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hows your E2 level these days?
So here is an update of my current problem. I realised a pct was not neccesary.
Is it possible to reverse the aromatizing effects of nandrolone steroid?
I ask this question because I still have the same face as the moon face look. I took a powder form of the drug at age 20 ( 7 years ago) it was called Deca diboldazol (nandrolone). It might have been a pro hormone that I took.Totally stupid of me. I had no idea of the consequences it had and was dumb at such a young age and thought i wold get muscle from with little working out. I only took two tablets and I then stopped the tabs. i took nothing else.The next day my body was different all over from head to toe. face ( imagine permanent moon face look) legs,arms,stomach etc were all different/fatter and contoured differently.No diet including atkins and very low carb could get back my old body. I tried also an aromasin/novaldex pct which i realise now was pointless but that also did aromatize and the aromasin chiselled my face ever so slighlty overnight as well.I Then had cosmetic surgery abroad with the one of the best surgeons to suck out the fat all over my body and I now don't look much different.
From research it could be something with the androgen receptor and progesterone receptors may have bound together or something and estrogen as accelerated growth fusion or maybe bone growth?
All your opinions are welcome I'd like to know how I can reverse this if its even possible. It does seem nandrolone aromatized as soon as I took that steroid. I understand it could be too late too reverse it but its worth try if someone knows any info they can give me.
These are the exact ingredients of the steroid that I took which seems that most likely it wasn't pure deca diboldazol or nandrolone. I do realise my endocrine system isnt fully developed until the age of 25 and i was 20 when I took this drug.
I will list the entire ingredients and see what you can make of it.
l-leucine [( 2S ) 2 amino 4 methylpentanoic acid], nettle root extract (urtica dioica), containing 3, 4 divanillyltetrahydrofuran,saw palmetto extract (serenoa repens), containing bis o, [(1-4)-(1 1-6)] a hydroxy phloretin 2-0-glucoside, epicatechin,epiafzelechin, 4 hydroxy benzoic acid, protocatechuic acid, methylgallate,sitosterol and sistosterol 3-0 glucoside,dehydrepiandrosterone (5 androsten-3-beta-hydroxy 17-one,dindolylmethane (3,3- methylenebis - 1H-indole), beta sistosterol ]( 5 stigmasten 3-beta ol )] stigmasterol [5,22-stigma-stadien 3 beta ol)] from phytosterols 90% , ajuga turkestanica extract standardized for ecdysterones containing turkesterone ( 11,20 dihydroxyecdysone) ajugasterone ( 2S,3R,5R,9R,10R,11R,13R,14S,17S)-17-[(2R,3R) 2,3 dihdroxy -6 methylheptan-2-yl] 2,3,11,14 tetra hydroxy,10,13 dimethyl 3,4,5,9,11,12,15,16,17 decahydro, 1H cyclopenta [A] phenanthren-6-one), Cyasterone (2/A,3/A,5/A),22 R, 24s,25s,28r) 2,3,14,20,22 pentahydroxy-26,28 epoxystigmast 7 ene 6,26 dione,adenosine 5 triphosphate disodium (disodium [(2S,3S,4R,5R) 5 (6 aminopurin 9-yl) 3,4 dihodroxyoxolan 2 yl] methoxy hydroxyphosphory, oxy-oxido phosphoryl] hydrogen phospate, carthamus tinctorius seed, containing [(3S, 4S) 4 [3,4 dimeth oxyphenyl) methyl] 3 hydroxy 3 [(methoxy 4 [( 2S, 3R,4S,5R,6R) 3,4,5 trihdroxy 6 ( hydroxymethyl) oxan 2 Y] oxy-phenyl,methyl,oxolan 2 one,forskolin extract, (coleus forskohlii) containing 3R,4aR,5S,6S,6aS,10S,10aR,10bS ,3 ethenyl 6,10,10B trihydroxy- 3,4a,7,7,10a pentamethyl, 1,oxo 5,6,6a,8,9,10, hexahydro 2H benzo [f] chromen 5 yl acetate,piperine (piper nigrum), zinc citrate,
Other ingredients contain gelatin, titanium dioxide,rice flour,magnesium stearate FD&C # Red. Researched by soviet scientist at the institute of the chemistry of plant substances,academy of sciences,republic of Uzbekistan
I got blood work done in 2015 and had full sex hormone panel and they came back fine ( I haven't taken any steroids since) Here are my results. I had a 24-hour urine collection for adrenaline and non adrenaline, a late night saliva test, low-dose dexamethasone suppression test, prolactin of 147,cortisol 299,testosterone 21, SHBG 36.5, Oestradiol 112, TSH 1.01, T 4 13.6,T3 5.2,FSH 2, LH 4, Creatinine 91, EGFR 87, IGF 22 and normal liver function tests and vitamin D. I also tested negative for cushion's syndrome. I have been ruled out for Acromegaly.
My liver was fine. The results are -liver function tests serum-Albumin-serum 40, Total bilibrubin 12- alkaline phosphate serum 66, AST 20, ALT 18, Cholesterol serum 5.6, triglyceride serum 1.9, HDL cholesterol serum 1.20
What was strange was that there was only certain areas the surgeon could liposuction out. As the surgeon said some areas were harder skin instead of soft flappy skin that I had. I explained that this was not muscle to him and I told him it was the steroid that had left me with it permanently.
My face looks a slightly different now as they used a tiny canula to suck out the fat in my lower face and chin. the strange this was that the cosmetic surgeon sucked out the fat on the top of my palm and my foot and hip area which was what the powder steroid I took (2 tablets of deca dibolodazol at age 20) had left me with overnight,however the fat he sucked out didnt remove itself at all and it remains. I have found this very bizarre.
lets just say for example you all give me the benefit of the doubt and the steroid did transform my body which it 100 percent did overnight. I assume there is no way to reverse it and I am stuck with it as no one has any solutions for it?
This does seem that I am the very first case with this problem having searched the interner and I can assure you that I do not have body image disorder or need to see a psychiatrist.
Isn't the only way that we can settle this debate if if I rebuy the tablets and get someone to try the tabs or a mouse test them or something ( not that its really possible). to find out what this drug really does. I dont think anyone would want to guinea pig themselves to test this drug and I wouldn't blame them but wow do I want to prove to you all that i'm not messing around.
This is a much better picture of me before i took the steroid and another photo of me soon after. I weighed exactly the same and I ate low carb/keto.
Notice my neck is bigger and face is much rounder. I look like a different person almost. Don't give me the "I am older,your face has changed nonsense' as my father and grandfather still have the same looking faces as me before i took the steroid.
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Notice my neck is bigger and face is much rounder. I look like a different person almost. Don't give me the "I am older,your face has changed nonsense' as my father and grandfather still have the same looking faces as me before i took the steroid.
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Mycelium
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I found and posted the ingredients list for this "Deca diboldazol/Nandrolone" in your ither thread. Turkmen whatever that stuff is comes from insects and doesn't effect testoserone from glossing over Google results. Youbdidnt take a steroid. Many steroids are worthless if taken orally. You can't eat testoserone cyp and expect it to work.
Take a full body front double bicep pose in your underwear or shorts and post it. That will show your body. I can't see anything in those photos and I find it hard to follow what you are saying.
Take a full body front double bicep pose in your underwear or shorts and post it. That will show your body. I can't see anything in those photos and I find it hard to follow what you are saying.
Someone mentioned a food allergy earlier. A doctor can determine in one to two visits. Just took my son and he is allergic to rice of all things. I had never even heard of that. Anyway. Good luck. Hope you getvit worked out. Sounds like you've been trying for a long time
I will get a DHEA blood test as soon as possible and post the results here. If levels are normal for that test I will get an MRI scan of the pituitary. what do you think?
In answer to some of your question I was so stupid at the time that I had noticed my body had changed overnight after I took that prohormone but I thought nothing of it at all. It was only three years later after i stopped lifting weights as I was in fact eating a keto diet and should have looked and weighed a little less however my body didnt go back to normal and I then decided to do something about it and post on forums.
Here is a few pictures of my body that even the cosmetic surgeon tried to suck out but didn't remove itself and lumps have returned on my hand,foot and hip.
I will add also that after I took the prohormone 7 years ago I had erectile dysfunction for three months after and it came back again in 2017 but I can get it up now with maca root tabs.
I suffer now since 2015 from very low energy. Its always on the back of my mind if that prohormone could have fucked things for me.I take vitamin B12,vitamin c, vitamin d3,Zinc, Iron,Multivitamin, omega 3, calcium,and half a tablet of red kooga natural energy release.
Here are the photos of the lumps on my skin
HIp-
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Hand-
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foot-
http://i67.tinypic.com/sy4f9y.jpg
photo of my legs before taking prohormone-
http://oi64.tinypic.com/zx8bhx.jpg
photo of lower legs after ( I am the same weight notice how much bigger my lower leg is) this isn't muscle as i don't do leg exercises-
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photo of full leg ( notice right and left hip stick out)
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I posted this on the other Forum.
Looking at the Ingredient List, the DHEA is 3rd in the List.
And Ingredients are always listed by their Amounts.
So 1st Ingredient Listed, has the Greatest Amount, and so on down the list.
So being that the DHEA is 3rd on a list of a Dozen Ingredients.
I'm Really Doubtful as to how much could be in 1 Serving.
And you only took 2 Servings.
I have seen lots of "Proprietary Blends" over the years.
This method is Mostly Used to hide the fact, that there isn't much in there.
It's called, "Fairy Dust" in the Industry, where there's a Sprinkle of this, and a Sprinkle of that.
And that Crap you bought, fits this Method.................................... JP
P.S.
The way they have listed all the Chemical Names for the simple ingredients.
Is what is known as "Obfuscation".
Meaning they are hiding the Truth, by making it Unclear/Obscure/or Unintelligible.
Looking at the Ingredient List, the DHEA is 3rd in the List.
And Ingredients are always listed by their Amounts.
So 1st Ingredient Listed, has the Greatest Amount, and so on down the list.
So being that the DHEA is 3rd on a list of a Dozen Ingredients.
I'm Really Doubtful as to how much could be in 1 Serving.
And you only took 2 Servings.
I have seen lots of "Proprietary Blends" over the years.
This method is Mostly Used to hide the fact, that there isn't much in there.
It's called, "Fairy Dust" in the Industry, where there's a Sprinkle of this, and a Sprinkle of that.
And that Crap you bought, fits this Method.................................... JP
P.S.
The way they have listed all the Chemical Names for the simple ingredients.
Is what is known as "Obfuscation".
Meaning they are hiding the Truth, by making it Unclear/Obscure/or Unintelligible.
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Mycelium
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Nothing in those photos looks extreme. Nothing in any photo really.
I think you need to stop looking at that supplement from years ago. Like I already said post a front double bicep in your underwear. You've posted your face an a waist down nude basically.
I get a feeling we are being trolled or you have body issues. Like you are seeing things that we can't. My personal example is my gyno from seizure meds look like tits and I can see them in every picture. Nobody else does. I have mammograms and ultra sounds to prove them and theyvare visible. Your picture look like an average dude.
Regardless I think that supplement years ago needs to be discarded as a potential cause. The veins in your feet don't look like you have a lot of water retention.
WTF are all the "already pinged" things that show up on the advanced post screen? Bunch of porn sites.
I think you need to stop looking at that supplement from years ago. Like I already said post a front double bicep in your underwear. You've posted your face an a waist down nude basically.
I get a feeling we are being trolled or you have body issues. Like you are seeing things that we can't. My personal example is my gyno from seizure meds look like tits and I can see them in every picture. Nobody else does. I have mammograms and ultra sounds to prove them and theyvare visible. Your picture look like an average dude.
Regardless I think that supplement years ago needs to be discarded as a potential cause. The veins in your feet don't look like you have a lot of water retention.
WTF are all the "already pinged" things that show up on the advanced post screen? Bunch of porn sites.
Mycelium
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That lump on your hand is a muscle. The lump on the side of your foot. A muscle. Your hips? Look just like mine. The pictures of red bumps or whatever I was supposed to see? Kids get worse lumps from mosquitos. I have no reference because you keep sharing close ups. I got stung in my under my arm right between my bicep and tricep a little while ago. Softball size red patch with red vein like discoloration running out from it for a day. The lemon sided red patch lasted about 3 days.
If you view my avi you can see the gyno. Men don't have rounded lower pecs around their nipples. I have a huge portion of my body showing for a scale reference. Body fat, fat distribution, neck, head and abs. Full front shot allows referencing your entire body.
If you view my avi you can see the gyno. Men don't have rounded lower pecs around their nipples. I have a huge portion of my body showing for a scale reference. Body fat, fat distribution, neck, head and abs. Full front shot allows referencing your entire body.
