Moved from 2xGels to 250mg injection help appreciated

[oliverduke]

I have moved from gel's to injection 250mg (1vile) once every two weeks, but I'm allowed to self administer so will probably go for 125mg once a week.

Is this a conservative does in comparison to 2 gel's ?

any other information appreciated, never injected before but I'm sure i can figure that out with a few youtube vids.

thanks

 

[oliverduke]

Also i assume it takes a while for it to build up, should i carry on with the gels till the second injection to stay fairly constant and not have an initial drop?

thanks

 

[Megatron28]

I think you will be happier with injections. Here is a thread that will answer a lot of your questions.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/testosterone-replacement-therapy/662394-basic-trt-overview.html

Have you discussed monitoring estradiol with your doc and how to handle it if your estradiol becomes elevated?

It is hard to estimate an equivalent dosage to the gel. What did the gel put your TT and E2 at? How much do you weigh? Height? Body fat %? Were you using an AI with the gel? If so, how much?

 

[Megatron28]

Also i assume it takes a while for it to build up, should i carry on with the gels till the second injection to stay fairly constant and not have an initial drop?

thanks

Tapering. off the gel over a week or two is not a bad idea.

 

[oliverduke]

I think you will be happier with injections. Here is a thread that will answer a lot of your questions.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/testosterone-replacement-therapy/662394-basic-trt-overview.html

Have you discussed monitoring estradiol with your doc and how to handle it if your estradiol becomes elevated?

It is hard to estimate an equivalent dosage to the gel. What did the gel put your TT and E2 at? How much do you weigh? Height? Body fat %? Were you using an AI with the gel? If so, how much?

Thanks ill check it out, got my head over the injection protocol just need to understand how to do it once a week and use half a vial a time..

my TT 5 hours post gel application (one sachet, i apply other sachet at night so some left over from night before) was 13nmol and oestradiol was 86 (40-160) which is about 22 on us reference range i think.

Im 5,8ft, 75kg at about 12-15% body fat (blury but visible abs) was at about 9-10% 4 months ago before my lean bulk that didn't end up too lean haha...

I have not been using any AI as they are not prescribed in UK, i don't have any high E sides that i can tell, bit watery but thats because I'm eating too much, my hands are very dry and my knees are a little bit sore which suggest low E?

My Oestradiol was lower on one sachet a day, and I have noticed my labido/erection quality has dropped a bit last week or two on 2 sachets a day which could be slightly elevated E... Hopefully the T injection will reduce aromitisation that the gels can cause.

Thanks

 

[Megatron28]

What ester are you prescribed? Forgot to ask you that.

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks ill check it out, got my head over the injection protocol just need to understand how to do it once a week and use half a vial a time..

my TT 5 hours post gel application (one sachet, i apply other sachet at night so some left over from night before) was 13nmol and oestradiol was 86 (40-160) which is about 22 on us reference range i think.

Im 5,8ft, 75kg at about 12-15% body fat (blury but visible abs) was at about 9-10% 4 months ago before my lean bulk that didn't end up too lean haha...

I have not been using any AI as they are not prescribed in UK, i don't have any high E sides that i can tell, bit watery but thats because I'm eating too much, my hands are very dry and my knees are a little bit sore which suggest low E?

My Oestradiol was lower on one sachet a day, and I have noticed my labido/erection quality has dropped a bit last week or two on 2 sachets a day which could be slightly elevated E... Hopefully the T injection will reduce aromitisation that the gels can cause.

Thanks

So that put you at 374ng/dl. That is still pretty much hypogonadal. You will achieve much higher TT on injections. You don't want to take a dosage that would get you to the same place you were at on the gel. Being hypogonadal has serious longterm health issues.

 

[oliverduke]

What ester are you prescribed? Forgot to ask you that.

I don't actually know, I asked if it was sustanon but he said thats not around much anymore and that "there all pretty much the same, it will be a short ester".

Iv ordered it through my GP and all i can find prescribed in the UK is sustanon and occasionally enthenate, so one of them is my best guess...

 

[oliverduke]

So that put you at 374ng/dl. That is still pretty much hypogonadal. You will achieve much higher TT on injections. You don't want to take a dosage that would get you to the same place you were at on the gel. Being hypogonadal has serious longterm health issues.

Yeh thats why I'm questioning if 125mg is a good dose to get me high enough if 2 gels were only getting me borderline...

 

[Megatron28]

I don't actually know, I asked if it was sustanon but he said thats not around much anymore and that "there all pretty much the same, it will be a short ester".

Iv ordered it through my GP and all i can find prescribed in the UK is sustanon and occasionally enthenate, so one of them is my best guess...

Guessing is no good. You need to know exactly what it is because it affects how frequently you need to inject. Call and get a specific answer. Or read your prescription.

 

[Megatron28]

Yeh thats why I'm questioning if 125mg is a good dose to get me high enough if 2 gels were only getting me borderline...

I think that is a good starting dosage given your weight. This is a guess, but that should get you into the upper third of the normal range for a trough reading if you pin frequently enough.

 

[oliverduke]

Guessing is no good. You need to know exactly what it is because it affects how frequently you need to inject. Call and get a specific answer. Or read your prescription.

I think that is a good starting dosage given your weight. This is a guess, but that should get you into the upper third of the normal range for a trough reading if you pin frequently enough.

Yeh I'm going in later to pick up the rest of my gel's that I had prescribed so will find out what it is.

Yeh I'm going to inject once a week minimum, may go twice a week if i can figure out how to measure 4 doses out of 1 vile easily enough... long term seems more practical to try and stick to 1x a week. Interested in new discussions around sub Q and insulin injections though would make it a lot easier to do 2x a week

 

[Megatron28]

Yeh I'm going in later to pick up the rest of my gel's that I had prescribed so will find out what it is.

Yeh I'm going to inject once a week minimum, may go twice a week if i can figure out how to measure 4 doses out of 1 vile easily enough... long term seems more practical to try and stick to 1x a week. Interested in new discussions around sub Q and insulin injections though would make it a lot easier to do 2x a week

Ask for a multi-use vial. Then it will be easy. If you get ampules you are kind of screwed unless you have a multi-use vial that you can transfer it to.

 

[oliverduke]

Ask for a multi-use vial. Then it will be easy. If you get ampules you are kind of screwed unless you have a multi-use vial that you can transfer it to.

Thanks I'll ask, can't I draw it all and leave half in barrel and fridge, change needle?

Also it's test Ethanate

 

[Jimstigator]

I would do that, minus the fridge. Its not HCG, no need to freeze.

If I could only get ampules, I would draw it all out into one larger syringe, then transfer whatever the dose might be, into a new syringe. Yeah... its not best practice, but I doubt it will be an issue. There are weird rumors about the oil and the rubber of the syringe reacting, but there are about a billion meat heads around the world who could argue that point. A week or two sitting in there isn't an issue. If I go on a trip, I pre-fill 2-6 syringes and just take them with me, not the vial.

-Jim

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks I'll ask, can't I draw it all and leave half in barrel and fridge, change needle?

Also it's test Ethanate

Enanthate cs be injected once a week. That does give some people a bit of a roller coaster effect though -- high peak and low trough. Many prefer injecting every 3.5 days. It is up to you. Read the link I gave you and you can see what my experience was.

You should not store test in a syringe. It is possible that it may slowly dissolve the stopper on the plunger and the. you would be injecting that. You should also not store Test E in the fridge. It can cause the Testosterone powder to come out of the oil suspension. It should be stored at room temp in a dark, dry place. Make sure you read up on how or properly store your medications and/or ask your pharmacist.

 

[soldier74]

good read guys! Ive heard the gels r a waste though.. you will be happier with the injectable results. i agree with Megatron on that one.

 

[oliverduke]

Enanthate cs be injected once a week. That does give some people a bit of a roller coaster effect though -- high peak and low trough. Many prefer injecting every 3.5 days. It is up to you. Read the link I gave you and you can see what my experience was.

You should not store test in a syringe. It is possible that it may slowly dissolve the stopper on the plunger and the. you would be injecting that. You should also not store Test E in the fridge. It can cause the Testosterone powder to come out of the oil suspension. It should be stored at room temp in a dark, dry place. Make sure you read up on how or properly store your medications and/or ask your pharmacist.

Thanks I'll get onto the reading! I'll probably start once a week and see how I get on. Would you have any advice on multiple dosing from a vial? I'll ask about a multi use vial but I suspect gp will get suspicious as to why as Iv been prescribed 2 week injection slots...

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks I'll get onto the reading! I'll probably start once a week and see how I get on. Would you have any advice on multiple dosing from a vial? I'll ask about a multi use vial but I suspect gp will get suspicious as to why as Iv been prescribed 2 week injection slots...

Buy a sterile vial and transfer the ampules to the vial. See what your pharmacist can do to help.

Make sure you monitor your estradiol levels going forward.

Tell your wife to brace herself for the onslaught coming her way soon.

 

[juced_porkchop]

I have moved from gel's to injection 250mg (1vile) once every two weeks, but I'm allowed to self administer so will probably go for 125mg once a week.

Is this a conservative does in comparison to 2 gel's ?

any other information appreciated, never injected before but I'm sure i can figure that out with a few youtube vids.

thanks

Also i assume it takes a while for it to build up, should i carry on with the gels till the second injection to stay fairly constant and not have an initial drop?

thanks

once a week for sure over every 2 weeks.
i would wait a week after shot to drop the gels IMO. so i guess at second injection would be fine. I rather have a bit of a spike than a drop IMO.