I use HGH, and am learning about IGF-1, and GHRH type stuff... but I'm understading the reason why GH is so expensive for the athlete.... anti-aging doses just dont do it and the bill adds up. I'm being paid for my sport, but not that much. Just trying to find info on whats out there....the way some of these over seas guys stay so lean makes me pretty sure they're using something.... anything anyone else knows would be appreciated... (drugs that are not being tested for I mean)...... you'd be shocked how many paid athletes in the US are going through this....semi pro is always semi paid. If I made 40miilion a year I would'nt worry about cost. Know what I mean? Got a family to take care of and lots of bills.... They (my work) need me lean..... when I'm not on, I tend to bulk up, keep shape, but soften up too.... not the look I want... furthermore, when I gain water weight I tend to not be as fast. I feel like a bodybuilder in the off season these day. Big still, but not veined out cut, and sluggish when I make quick movements(hard lefts and rights).... sucks.. dam d-tests.....Just trying to do what I have to do to keep up with the competition out there...Level out the reality playing field.... you know? Wish the world was perfect and we could just do things without help, but we don't live in a utopian society and thats just the way it is. Gotta get paid..... Any lists would be very helpful. Access is no problem... just need info...