My 1st cycle - Need some advices

BrunoQc

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Here's what will be my first cycle (starting next week)

Sustanon (injection) - 3 days interval 1ML (4 weeks)
Dianabol (oral) - 3 caps before meats a day (4 weeks)

PCT -
1 shot of APL
2 weeks of Clomid
2 weeks of Amiridex

I have the meal plan and the training made from a friend of mine, he's bodybuilder and won some professionnal competitions.

Thanks for ideas, suggestions and comments.
 
Drop Dbol. Test only should be your 1st cycle.
4 weeks is not nearly enough. Run test sust for 12 weeks
Start PCT 3 weeks after the last injection
Include Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to your cycle (very important)
Arimidex should be used on cycle, not for post cycle therapy (pct). - Using Adex on cycle is a must.
Get some Nolva for PCT
What's APL?

This is how your cycle should look like

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Week 1-12 Test Sust 500mg/wk (2 injections of 250mg, 3.5 days apart)
Week 1-15 Arimidex 0.25mg every other day
Week 1-12 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu x2 a week 3.5 days apart
---------------------------------------------------------------------

3 weeks after the last shot do this for PCT
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Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20
------------------
each "/" separates the week of the daily dose in milligrams. PCT 4 weeks total.


Read this http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ng-executing-successful-cycle.html?highlight=
 
Drop Dbol. Test only should be your 1st cycle.
4 weeks is not nearly enough. Run test sust for 12 weeks
Start PCT 3 weeks after the last injection
Include Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to your cycle (very important)
Arimidex should be used on cycle, not for post cycle therapy (pct). - Using Adex on cycle is a must.
Get some Nolva for PCT
What's APL?

This is how your cycle should look like

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Week 1-12 Test Sust 500mg/wk (2 injections of 250mg, 3.5 days apart)
Week 1-15 Arimidex 0.25mg every other day
Week 1-12 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu x2 a week 3.5 days apart
---------------------------------------------------------------------

3 weeks after the last shot do this for PCT
------------------
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20
------------------
each "/" separates the week of the daily dose in milligrams. PCT 4 weeks total.


Read this http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ng-executing-successful-cycle.html?highlight=

Dex again withered the great advice :). Only thing I would add is to pin Sust EOD to make use of the propionate ester.
 
Drop Dbol. Test only should be your 1st cycle.
4 weeks is not nearly enough. Run test sust for 12 weeks
Start PCT 3 weeks after the last injection
Include Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to your cycle (very important)
Arimidex should be used on cycle, not for post cycle therapy (pct). - Using Adex on cycle is a must.
Get some Nolva for PCT
What's APL?

This is how your cycle should look like

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Week 1-12 Test Sust 500mg/wk (2 injections of 250mg, 3.5 days apart)
Week 1-15 Arimidex 0.25mg every other day
Week 1-12 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu x2 a week 3.5 days apart
---------------------------------------------------------------------

3 weeks after the last shot do this for PCT
------------------
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20
------------------
each "/" separates the week of the daily dose in milligrams. PCT 4 weeks total.


Read this steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/653797-my-first-cycle-planning-executing-successful-cycle.html?highlight=

Thanks for the hint, nice answer, very appreciated. Only problem is, I already bought the stock :/
APL is a one shot injection (that costs frickin 80$) that sends a signal to the balls to start back the testosterone. I'll try to get the full name of it.
 
A.P.L. (human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG)) is biologically standardised and the potency is declared in terms of the second International Standard for Chorionic Gonadotropin. Each unit represents the specific gonadotropic activity of 0,001279 mg of the standard preparation held by the National Institute for Medical Research (England) on behalf of the World Health Organisation.

A.P.L.® Injection 5 000 IU; A.P.L.® Injection 10 000 IU
 
APL is a form of HCG. One shot at the end of the cycle is no where near as effective as running it 250iu 2x2 wk from day one.
 
This^
I knew it had to be HCG. OP run your APL from week 1.

That's bc you're a good bro my bro! Side bar: I've got to admit Dex, I still remember your first cycle proposal and all the research you've been putting in brother, and your results and advice reflects that. Keep up the good fight my man!
 
That's bc you're a good bro my bro! Side bar: I've got to admit Dex, I still remember your first cycle proposal and all the research you've been putting in brother, and your results and advice reflects that. Keep up the good fight my man!

Thanx buddy.
 
This^
I knew it had to be HCG. OP run your APL from week 1.


Actually, I spoke with a OLD OLD friend of mine who became a biocellular doctor. He told me that when you do testosterone (in any form), brain reacts like you're having too much of testosterone, so it stops making testosterone. Due to half-life of the testosterone I take (every 3 days pinned), my test will stay very high (around 10-15x higher than normal). So there is no point taking APL during the cycle. When you stop test, your brain might start back natural test by itself, sometimes it might start only 50% or might even not start at all (that's when people say they get a high crash). APL is made to send a message to the brain: ''hey, start back the production please!''. Why would I want to tell my brain to start back the test production since i'm already giving my body a lot of testosterone.


I just pinned first today. 3/4 ML of Test 300 Enanthate. Had no feelings really, no high or no rush to go to gym. But, I lifted 10pounds more on my flat dumbell press, and it looked kinda easy. Ill run Sustanon in 3 days. Then, after the next 3 days (after sustanon), i'll go back with Test 300 Enanthate and start my DBALL (oral) stack. I'll go on with Sustanon and Dball then for 5 weeks. (4 pills a day and 2 pins a week). 3 days after my last pin, i'll pin my APL in and start clomid for 2 weeks (dropping the dose a bit every 2 days). I'm not afraid of bitch tits since it's my 1st cycle and probably my last one. I just want to get the shape I want.

My friend (bodybuilder) has been in that market a lot and he told me that cycle was perfect and the PCT was okay for a guy like me that just wants 1 cycle. People who plan to use roids on long terms then should go harder on PCT but it's useless for me to use that bunch of pct's.

Feel free to leave any comments.

Thanks :)
 
Actually, I spoke with a OLD OLD friend of mine who became a biocellular doctor. He told me that when you do testosterone (in any form), brain reacts like you're having too much of testosterone, so it stops making testosterone. Due to half-life of the testosterone I take (every 3 days pinned), my test will stay very high (around 10-15x higher than normal). So there is no point taking APL during the cycle. When you stop test, your brain might start back natural test by itself, sometimes it might start only 50% or might even not start at all (that's when people say they get a high crash). APL is made to send a message to the brain: ''hey, start back the production please!''. Why would I want to tell my brain to start back the test production since i'm already giving my body a lot of testosterone.


I just pinned first today. 3/4 ML of Test 300 Enanthate. Had no feelings really, no high or no rush to go to gym. But, I lifted 10pounds more on my flat dumbell press, and it looked kinda easy. Ill run Sustanon in 3 days. Then, after the next 3 days (after sustanon), i'll go back with Test 300 Enanthate and start my DBALL (oral) stack. I'll go on with Sustanon and Dball then for 5 weeks. (4 pills a day and 2 pins a week). 3 days after my last pin, i'll pin my APL in and start clomid for 2 weeks (dropping the dose a bit every 2 days). I'm not afraid of bitch tits since it's my 1st cycle and probably my last one. I just want to get the shape I want.

My friend (bodybuilder) has been in that market a lot and he told me that cycle was perfect and the PCT was okay for a guy like me that just wants 1 cycle. People who plan to use roids on long terms then should go harder on PCT but it's useless for me to use that bunch of pct's.

Feel free to leave any comments.

Thanks :)

Bc HCG or APL does not go through the brain. It in fact bypasses the brain, hypothalamus, and pituitary. It goes to work right in the testicles making them produce some small amounts of testosterone, even so they don't atrophy. If you let them atrophy, bringing them back to working function becomes harder than it should be unnecessarily.

I would reconsider who you're getting this advice from and do some research on your own. There is plenty of information proving your friends wrong so don't just believe me, research it for yourself :)
 
Actually, I spoke with a OLD OLD friend of mine who became a biocellular doctor. He told me that when you do testosterone (in any form), brain reacts like you're having too much of testosterone, so it stops making testosterone. Due to half-life of the testosterone I take (every 3 days pinned), my test will stay very high (around 10-15x higher than normal). So there is no point taking APL during the cycle. When you stop test, your brain might start back natural test by itself, sometimes it might start only 50% or might even not start at all (that's when people say they get a high crash). APL is made to send a message to the brain: ''hey, start back the production please!''. Why would I want to tell my brain to start back the test production since i'm already giving my body a lot of testosterone.


I just pinned first today. 3/4 ML of Test 300 Enanthate. Had no feelings really, no high or no rush to go to gym. But, I lifted 10pounds more on my flat dumbell press, and it looked kinda easy. Ill run Sustanon in 3 days. Then, after the next 3 days (after sustanon), i'll go back with Test 300 Enanthate and start my DBALL (oral) stack. I'll go on with Sustanon and Dball then for 5 weeks. (4 pills a day and 2 pins a week). 3 days after my last pin, i'll pin my APL in and start clomid for 2 weeks (dropping the dose a bit every 2 days). I'm not afraid of bitch tits since it's my 1st cycle and probably my last one. I just want to get the shape I want.

My friend (bodybuilder) has been in that market a lot and he told me that cycle was perfect and the PCT was okay for a guy like me that just wants 1 cycle. People who plan to use roids on long terms then should go harder on PCT but it's useless for me to use that bunch of pct's.

Feel free to leave any comments.

Thanks :)
What Dre Said^
HCG keeps your boys working, that's the main purpose of it. Most internal problems occur on cycle, don't it make sense to prevent testicular atrophy in the 1st place?

Shutdown is a shutdown, regardless of compounds used, length of time is what makes a difference. So you still need a stronger PCT to recover faster.

Follow cycle and PCT protocol that I typed above and you'll be fine.
 
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What Dre Said^
HCG keeps your boys working, that's the main purpose of it. Most internal problems occur on cycle, don't it make sense to prevent testicular atrophy in the 1st place?

Shutdown is a shutdown, regardless of compounds used, length of time is what makes a difference. So you still need a stronger PCT to recover faster.

Follow cycle and PCT protocol that I typed above and you'll be fine.

Didn't even see the PCT part lol. Skipped right to the HCG part. Another doctor giving recommendations outside his scope or not painting the full picture n
 
What Dre Said^
HCG keeps your boys working, that's the main purpose of it. Most internal problems occur on cycle, don't it make sense to prevent testicular atrophy in the 1st place?

Shutdown is a shutdown, regardless of compounds used, length of time is what makes a difference. So you still need a stronger PCT to recover faster.

Follow cycle and PCT protocol that I typed above and you'll be fine.


I won't follow your cycle. I'll go with Sustanon 300 + DBol (oral) for the cycle.

For the PCT, i'll get some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) right away and start the treatment. Is it intramuscular?

Then i'll do clomid and APL at the end of my cycle.

Does that sounds right? I already pinned Test 300 (that I had from a friend who didn't used it) yesterday. So i'll go: Sustanon, Test, Sustanon, Test, etc.. etc.. for 8 weeks + the oral. I'll had Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 3.5 days to that and might get a anti-oestro. Though, i've been told that using the anti-estro after the cycle would be enough.

Thoughs and comments? :)

Thanks Dex et Dr.Dre!
 
I won't follow your cycle. I'll go with Sustanon 300 + DBol (oral) for the cycle.

For the PCT, i'll get some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) right away and start the treatment. Is it intramuscular?

Then i'll do clomid and APL at the end of my cycle.

Does that sounds right? I already pinned Test 300 (that I had from a friend who didn't used it) yesterday. So i'll go: Sustanon, Test, Sustanon, Test, etc.. etc.. for 8 weeks + the oral. I'll had Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 3.5 days to that and might get a anti-oestro. Though, i've been told that using the anti-estro after the cycle would be enough.

Thoughs and comments? :)

Thanks Dex et Dr.Dre!

Poor choice for a cycle man, but it is your choice. So do what you like
I just tried to help.

Just a hint: Not using Anti-estro on cycle is asking for tits of your own (gyno) ;)

Sorry but whoever's telling you those things is a moron.
 
Poor choice for a cycle man, but it is your choice. So do what you like
I just tried to help.

Just a hint: Not using Anti-estro on cycle is asking for tits of your own (gyno) ;)

Sorry but whoever's telling you those things is a moron.

Hey dude.

I need some more advice, you know this stuff is serious (excuse my poor english i'm french (from quebec)). Why you say this cycle is poor? Sustanon + Dbol, I heard that was beast?

I need to know exactly what to take in my cycle to avoid gyno and keep my nuts not in atrophy. And I want to use not a lot of products if possible. Amiridex and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would be okay?

Waiting for your answer dude,


Thanks for your help, really appreciated man

Later.
 
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