"My Cycle" Looking for Advice

Huge4Life

Huge4Life
This is my second cycle but my first one using this gear!!! Ive got all the essesntials: Excellent diet, vitamins, BCAA's, creatine, gluatime, zma's, etc. Ive done a shit ton of research and this is what I came up with ....

Deca (weeks 1-8): 250 mg/ week
Sustanon (weeks 1-7): 400 mg/ week
Dbol (Weeks 1-4): 20 mg/ daily

*Nolvadex 10 mg/daily (weeks 1-13)
Clomid 50 mg/ daily (weeks 11-13)

*Considering Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) weeks 9 & 10 (2500 I.U. ea.) and possibly low doses of 500 I.U. at the end of week 4 to keep up with the testis

Stats:
Age: 22
Height: 5'10
Weight: 185
Body fat: 8%
* Mesomorph & lifting for 5 years

Looking for any input especially in regards to the PCT ...
 
Thank you! I heard Luro is better to run with deca rather than nolva becuase it converts to estrogen differently but i also heard in such low doses nolva should do the trick?? In regards to the duration and doses ... i figured id keep it short and sweet since its only my 2nd time and im rather light ... do u think thats a decent idea?? or the benefits wont be worth it??
 
duration is nowhere near long enough. Deca should be ran atleast 12 weeks. The Sustanon (sust) should be run 2 weeks longer than that.
 
You'd be better off running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from weeks 3 til the end at 250 iu's every 4 days. Run it 1 week later than your last Test shot , then run Nolva/Clomid PCT .
 
ok thanks again! Also, I've decided to switch the Deca to Equipoise frontloading 600 mg for the first 2 weeks and 400 mg for the remainder (injecting twice a week). I kept the Sustanon (sust) at 400 mg and upped the Dbol to 25 mg/ daily for the first 4 weeks. Ive taken ur advice with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and my PCT is pretty much the same!!
1. How is a 10 week cycle for the Sustanon (sust) and equipoise??
2. Why do you run the test 2 weeks longer than the equipoise??
3. Will 10 mg/ daily of Nolvadex throughout the cycle work ?? If I up it to 20 mg/ daily throught out the PCT???

* Sorry about all the questions ... this will be the last of em
 
Ive heard some conteversial things about the equipoise vs deca when stacking with Sustanon (sust) and dbol but i dont wanna worry about the progestation
 
i think you should run deca-alot of people are not happy with the gains on eq-and you have to run it a really long time.

1-4 dbol 50mg ED
1-14 sustanon 500mg a week
1-12 deca 400mg a week
18-21 clomid 50mg ED

use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) through out cycle as suggested above
 
i think you should run deca-alot of people are not happy with the gains on eq-and you have to run it a really long time.

1-4 dbol 50mg ED
1-14 sustanon 500mg a week
1-12 deca 400mg a week
18-21 clomid 50mg ED

use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) through out cycle as suggested above

this cycle looks fantabulouse for the young blood.
this a BIG X2 with this.
 
Ive done a shit ton of research...

no offense, but its pretty obvious you have not done that much research.

Aside from what others have mentioned I will ask this:

What did your first cycle consist of?

What are your goals?

What do you know about sustanon? and why would you choose it over Test C/E/P single esters?

What are you going to use for liver support (if anything)?

Not trying to deride you, just bringing up some pertinent issues that should be considered.
 
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My goals would be to be on 20 lbs or so and keep as much of that as possible (thus why i was considering the equipoise ive heard the gains are much leaner and easier to retain). As far as the Sustanon (sust) goes i know it's a combination of 4 testosterone esters, etc. To be honest the reason i chose it as opposed to to Test C/E/P is becuase I don't know much about them and have a few older buddies that claim the Sustanon (sust) should do just fine. For liver suppurt i have more than enough Liver 52 DS & all the supplements and eating habits to go along with it (of this I'm sure). As for the research aspect your probably right ... I've done a good bit and for the last month or so it's pretty much how I spend my entire day but still i do not know nearly enough I'm constantly finding contradictory information, etc. If some of the questions i ask come off stupid, I appologize. I find it much easier to ask direct questions rather than to search for particular answers in a round about way. Thank you for all your help, if nothing else it gives me direction for my research!!
 
i think your deca and dbol dose is too low-and you should run at least 500mg test

why? hes only running 250mg of Deca. We don't know what his previous cycle was, but 400mg shld be fine.

the duration is too short-and your not suppose to run nolva with deca

start over

why again? plenty of people do 8 week cycles with long esters with great gains. remember that Deca will be in his system for 11 weeks if he does his last inject at 8 weeks.

Also, the Nolva could be due to him having gyno issues from Test. Again, without knowing what his first cycle/sides were, we don't know.

Although, i agree there are better options.

duration is nowhere near long enough. Deca should be ran atleast 12 weeks. The Sustanon (sust) should be run 2 weeks longer than that.

again, lets not make blanket statements if we don't know all the factors. No proof says Deca should be ran AT LEAST 12 weeks
as well Sustanon (sust) has Decanoate in it, which has a 14 day half life. So running it a week longer would be fine.

i think you should run deca-alot of people are not happy with the gains on eq-and you have to run it a really long time.

1-4 dbol 50mg ED
1-14 sustanon 500mg a week
1-12 deca 400mg a week
18-21 clomid 50mg ED

use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) through out cycle as suggested above

Now, this I like. And I agree. The gains from EQ IME have only been at high doses. Unless he is cutting, which he could be. Either way, i like Deca better, and Tren even moreso. But other than that. This is a nice cycle, except i would start the Clomid at week 17. And I would certainly suggest Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout at 250iu E3D.

Nice suggestion Det.
 
As for my first cycle I kind of rushed into it for cutting purposes. Being a wrestler i needed to cut a few lbs while at the very least maintaing my strength .... I ran Var (40 mg/ daily) and Stanzanol (50 mg) with plenty of liver support and I threw in some 6 oxo (more of a placebo effect than anything else)
 
My goals would be to be on 20 lbs or so and keep as much of that as possible (thus why i was considering the equipoise ive heard the gains are much leaner and easier to retain). As far as the Sustanon (sust) goes i know it's a combination of 4 testosterone esters, etc. To be honest the reason i chose it as opposed to to Test C/E/P is becuase I don't know much about them and have a few older buddies that claim the Sustanon (sust) should do just fine. For liver suppurt i have more than enough Liver 52 DS & all the supplements and eating habits to go along with it (of this I'm sure). As for the research aspect your probably right ... I've done a good bit and for the last month or so it's pretty much how I spend my entire day but still i do not know nearly enough I'm constantly finding contradictory information, etc. If some of the questions i ask come off stupid, I appologize. I find it much easier to ask direct questions rather than to search for particular answers in a round about way. Thank you for all your help, if nothing else it gives me direction for my research!!

first off, no question is stupid here in regards to learning.

second, none of us are experts on this stuff. Unfortunately people have a way of just regurgatating second and third hand info they have no experience with, they just read it somewhere else. That is why you are having so many conflicting things to read.

AAS is all about learning what works right for you. This is why I love and hate these boards. Many times people will read so much, start a cycle, and then read something else and change shit up a million times and wonder why they have cannonball zits and no gains.

Sustanon is fine. Don't sweat the esters, but i would suggest at least a E3D protocol to keep blood levels stable as possible. Some will say EOD. These are all suggestions.

Pick a good cycle that sounds reasonable to you, and stcik with it for the duration. If you get sides, then you know what you did and why it happened. If you change shit up you never know why you get sides. Since you've only done Var. Here's what Id do.

Week 1-12 Sustanon (sust) @ 500mg week
Week 1-4 Dbol @ 25-50mg/week
Week 16-19 Clomid @ 50mg/day

Most will say on this board to have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand, so if you do, get Aromasin. Of course Nolva will keep gyno at bay. Either way, choice is yours.

Most importantly, know that AAS is just a tool. Get rid of that 20lbs idea cuz you'll be setting yourself up for failure. Get a measuring tape and do a good BF check somewhere (no stupid machines you buy at GNC). use those as guides. Cuase like i always say, if you weigh even less than when you started, but look badass in the end... who gives a fuck how much you weigh. No hot chick wants to fuck a guy she meets on the beach cause she knows he's 245lbs. She is just like us... VISUAL!!

Good luck.
 
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the Eq should be at 600mg/week for at least 12-14 weeks. Eq takes a long time to show results

good luck
 
I can't seem to settle down so i did some more research ....

Sustaplex 400 mg: weeks 1-10
Dbol 25 mg/ daily: weeks 1-4
Tren A 75 mg E3D: weeks 8-12
PCT: Clomid 100 mg/ daily: week 13
50 mg/ daily weeks 14-15

*Nolva 10 mg/ daily: weeks 1-15
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250 I.U. E3D: weeks 1-12

What ya think???
 
Not exactly sure how to use the Nolva to perefection especially with the addition of Tren A considering it cuases progestation (and once again ive heard Nolva is virtually ineffective) .....
 
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bro your making this kinda diffucult-please do not use tren on a first cycle-or 2nd or 3rd.

RJ cycle is a good one-use his-i would have said go with mine-but i did not realise this is your first REAL cycle. pleas use testosterone only-and maybe some dbol

one thing i have to disagree with RJ on is the duration in which suatanon is used-i do not think it should be used any less than 12 weeks-testosterone decanate is the the main ingredient and it is one of the longest test esters there is.

also post cycle therapy (pct) should start 3 weeks after last sustanon injection
 
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i would not use NOLVA during a cycle-there are better choices now-like an aromatose inhibitor

besides Nolva lowers igf-1
 
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