My First Cycle "12-Weeks" & Log

[psionicsin]

Hey guys how's it going?

I've been researching things for the longest time, however was always scared to go through with it. For the record I'm not competing in anything, nor am I apart of any sport. I've always just wanted to be the best looking version of myself.

Over the years I've busted my ass like crazy in the gym. For 9 months straight in 2015 alone I was in the gym twice a day, Monday - Friday. Cardio in the morning and weights at night. I was sweating hard in the mornings, and leaving the gym feeling like my body would come undone if I took another step.

And the diet. Diet was also something that I've changed. Now I've never been a fast food person or a junk eater. Almost all of my meals are very well rounded meals. But during those very intense 9 months, I cut unnecessary calories by a ton. Very low carbs (breeds, pastas,etc) and high protein. I was probably eating better than most athletes in terms of nutrient consumption. Alcohol and unneeded salts also took a hike. I was clean.

I definitely started to notice a change. I was packing on more muscle and shedding some fat. I even dramatically dropped down in clothing size. However I never got the results I was looking for. This totally bothered me as there were guys in the gym that I took notice of who drastically transformed in those 9 months. I was there so much I practically knew everyone and their schedules so it amazed me that their results were so incredible, and I was...alright.

My stats before September, 2015:

• 6' 2"
• 230lbs
• 35-1/2" waist
• BF% Unknown

My stats after September, 2015 (and still stable):

• 6' 2"
• 205lbs
• 33-1/2" waist
• BF% Unknown (I need to find this out)

I was recently venting to a marine buddy of mine whose body I've always been jealous of. After coming back home he was in great shape like almost everyone in active duty. HOWEVER he really exploded over the course of 3-4 months back in 2014 and I'd always been in awe of his progress. So while venting, he admitted that he had some "help" and really talked to me about the situation. Based off of what I was trying to do (cut a huge amount of fat, and gain SOME solid muscle), he and a pharm friend suggested a cycle for me...which I started officially on Monday.

The 12-week cycle is:

• 300mg Test Prop Comp (75 Test P, 50 Mast, 50 Tren A) a week
• 50mg Winny a day (AM & PM)
• Noldavex and hCG for PCT
• Some AI tabs IF needed

Diet is (morning to evening):

• 50G Protein Shake /w Bananas and Blue Berries
• Greek yogurt /w peanut butter
• Meal Prep (chx/beef, veggies)
• 20G Protein bar
• Low fat/sodium soup OR frozen meal
• Meal Prep (chx/beef, veggies)
• 1 Gallon of Water MINIMUM

Workout Plan:
My first 4 weeks will consist of a superset workout plan called "The Fat-Busting Superset Workout" posted by "Muscle & Fitness" magazine (can't post link currently). BTW I'd love more workouts like these so if you guys can help and link me more to help my progress I'd DEFINITELY appreciate it.

I'll be tracking my progress here and listing stats as I get them and also pictures so I can visually track my progress.

Here's hoping for the best!

 

[Megatron28]

How old are you?

Your friends are giving you bad cycle advice. That is a terrible first cycle. Have you read the FAQs thread that I link below in my signature?

How many calories were you consuming daily during that 9 month period and what were your macros? Sounds like you have a diet issue.

Might be a training issue to. Are you doing the Basic lifts to gain size/strength? Deadlifts, squats, bench, shoukder presses, barbell rows, etc? Are you lifting heavy - low reps?

 

[psionicsin]

How old are you?

I'm 30

Your friends are giving you bad cycle advice. That is a terrible first cycle. Have you read the FAQs thread that I link below in my signature?

Yes, I've read that. I've also talked with more than just one person about the issue. And while I did consider running test alone, I'm also not trying to attempt another cycle which is why I decided to add Winny in. I'm going for my desired results, and then maintaining naturally from that point. Mind you...I've red the FAQs and have done research but nothing says why it's "terrible" so much so as what's considered "better".

How many calories were you consuming daily during that 9 month period and what were your macros? Sounds like you have a diet issue.

It wasn't a diet issue. I had my nutritionist tailor a diet exclusively for losing weight while training heavily.

Might be a training issue to. Are you doing the Basic lifts to gain size/strength? Deadlifts, squats, bench, shoukder presses, barbell rows, etc? Are you lifting heavy - low reps?

While I'm not a pro, I did in fact get results. Just not the results I wanted compared to others. And yeah I know I shouldn't compare myself to others, but easier said than done. So I doubt it was a training issue. And as far as the workout I'm doing now, yes I'm doing all of the basics and then some. I have great form (as told to me by multiple trainers), and am sure to lift as heavy as I can to complete my planned sets. And I go to muscular exhaustion as I'm not brand new to being in gyms.

 

[Megatron28]

It is a bad first cycle becasue you are wanting to run Mast and Tren and Winny on your first go. Your first cycle shou!d be test only. You have read the stickies so I believe you know the rationale for why the other three compounds should not be included. Also note that you didn't address PCT and Dopamine Agonists.

So I am hearing you say that you were running a caloric deficit, yet you are wondering why you didn't put on muscle in that nine months. Is that correct? Just for the fun of it, can you please answer the question about calories and macros?

 

[psionicsin]

It is a bad first cycle becasue you are wanting to run Mast and Tren and Winny on your first go. Your first cycle shou!d be test only. You have read the stickies so I believe you know the rationale for why the other three compounds should not be included. Also note that you didn't address PCT and Dopamine Agonists.

So I am hearing you say that you were running a caloric deficit, yet you are wondering why you didn't put on muscle in that nine months. Is that correct? Just for the fun of it, can you please answer the question about calories and macros?

I didn't know you were referring to the Mast and Tren inside of the comp. Yeah I was pretty surprised that was present as well, but decided to work with it.

Also I NEVER said I didn't put on muscle. I definitely did. But with putting on muscle and my restricted calorie diet, I still didn't shed the amount of fat I was expecting. Visible fat that is, not BMI or BF% measured fat.

And calories consumed at that time were restricted to around 1800-2000, minus the sporadic "fuck it" day. Macros was never something I had to track back then, nor something I'd ever heard of. I'm sure I can ask the nutritionist back from back then, but that wasn't discussed. And due to a condition that I have, I'm WELL acquainted with my doctors office and extra-regular blood work.

 

[tbonexl]

Hey guy your going about things all wrong. You came here for advice so take the great advice you got and apply it. Btw, it's difficult to do one cycle and keep all the gains "forever".. especially a multiple compound cycle. Your really going to be disappointed when you pct...

 

[psionicsin]

Hey guy your going about things all wrong. You came here for advice so take the great advice you got and apply it. Btw, it's difficult to do one cycle and keep all the gains "forever".. especially a multiple compound cycle. Your really going to be disappointed when you pct...

I know I'm not going to keep all the gains "forever". That's not possible, and I'm well aware.

And I didn't come here for advice as I didn't ask a question aside from recommended supersets to add after I complete my initial 4-week plan. I'm listing my cycle and keeping a public log with pics and stats as I go on.

 

[Megatron28]

I didn't know you were referring to the Mast and Tren inside of the comp. Yeah I was pretty surprised that was present as well, but decided to work with it.

Also I NEVER said I didn't put on muscle. I definitely did. But with putting on muscle and my restricted calorie diet, I still didn't shed the amount of fat I was expecting. Visible fat that is, not BMI or BF% measured fat.

And calories consumed at that time were restricted to around 1800-2000, minus the sporadic "fuck it" day. Macros was never something I had to track back then, nor something I'd ever heard of. I'm sure I can ask the nutritionist back from back then, but that wasn't discussed. And due to a condition that I have, I'm WELL acquainted with my doctors office and extra-regular blood work.

You cut your calories too much. When you are in that big of a deficit, your thyroid adjusts by slowing down. Yeah, you still lower your bodyweight, but there rate slows down. And I don't see how you could realistically add muscle mass on 1800 calories unless you are a getting Noob gains. But you indicated you have a lot of experience in the gym lifting weights.

Without knowing your macros, one can't say if you ate enough protein while cutting to preserve your muscle mass. Generally, you need to consume one gram of protein per pound of body weight. It is unfortunate that your nutritionist didn't discuss this or diet macros with you.

How are you going to set up your diet macros on a cycle? It is the diet that defines the outcome of your cycle.

"Working with the Mast, Tren, and Winny" is not a good decision. Do you understand why? A first cycle really needs to be with just test, hCG and an AI; followed by PCT.

What are your PCT plans?

What is your current medical condition?

 

[psionicsin]

Without knowing your macros, one can't say if you ate enough protein while cutting to preserve your muscle mass. Generally, you need to consume one gram of protein per pound of body weight. It is unfortunate that your nutritionist didn't discuss this or diet macros with you.

How are you going to set up your diet macros on a cycle? It is the diet that defines the outcome of your cycle.

I'll make sure to get the macros number together starting tomorrow now that I know what to look for, so thanks for that.

"Working with the Mast, Tren, and Winny" is not a good decision. Do you understand why? A first cycle really needs to be with just test, hCG and an AI; followed by PCT.

What are your PCT plans?

Yeah I do understand. I'm thinking of dropping the winny now after talking with you, however there's nothing I can do about the mast and tren since I've started using the comp already. I mean I could stop using it all together, but that'll be $$$ wasted that I can't get back.

And the PCT plans I posted above, but it'll be 2 weeks of Nolva. And I have hCG (6-12 weeks), and then Letro on-hand JUST incase (but probably not needed).

 

[psionicsin]

Found the Macros...

She did in fact put it on the sheet, however I either didn't hear this portion or just forgot. Probably my error.

Says I should be doing around 2,700 per day with carbs at 303g, protein at 210g, and fat at 76g. However I'm very sure I wasn't following that as I didn't know it was vital to what I was doing.

I'm going to aim for 230g of protein, 230g of carbs, and 120g of fat, for around 2,900 calories. I'm not a huge fan of carbs outside of those freely in fruit/veggies and the random pasta or rice, so I'm upping the fat and lowering the carbs. So that would mean...40g of protein, 40g of carbs and 20g of fat per meal...which I think I can safely do and still get lean and drop weight while building adequate muscle.

 

[Megatron28]

I'll make sure to get the macros number together starting tomorrow now that I know what to look for, so thanks for that.



Yeah I do understand. I'm thinking of dropping the winny now after talking with you, however there's nothing I can do about the mast and tren since I've started using the comp already. I mean I could stop using it all together, but that'll be $$$ wasted that I can't get back.

And the PCT plans I posted above, but it'll be 2 weeks of Nolva. And I have hCG (6-12 weeks), and then Letro on-hand JUST incase (but probably not needed).

I missed the PCT part. Sorry.

You should not run hCG while doing PCT. It is suppressive to your HPTA. This was covered in that FAQs link I recommended you read. HCG should be used while on cycle to minimize testicular atrophy however

Why would you need Letro during PCT?

You need to add Clomid to your PCT.

You forgot to list when you will start PCT and at what doses. Two weeks of PCT is way to short. PCT is the most important part of your cycle unless you want to be on TRT for the rest of your life and/or lose all your gains.

As for $ wasted... that seems like a silly argument. Get the right gear and save your current stuff for a future cycle when you are ready to run Tren, Mast and Winny. Be smart about this. You can seriously mess yourself up. You have no idea how to manage estradiol or prolactin. Do you want gynecomastia or edema?

What are your plans for blood work? What labs will you be checking and when? How did you pre-cycle baseline Natty labs look?

Are you getting the sense that everytime I post that you have to scramble to do some research to figure out what I am talking about? That these are things you have not considered. Does that seem like a smart way to go into running a cycle with powerful hormones? They can seriously mess you up for life if not used correctly. There is a lot more too this than just pinning some gear in your glute.

 

[Megatron28]

Found the Macros...

She did in fact put it on the sheet, however I either didn't hear this portion or just forgot. Probably my error.

Says I should be doing around 2,700 per day with carbs at 303g, protein at 210g, and fat at 76g. However I'm very sure I wasn't following that as I didn't know it was vital to what I was doing.

I'm going to aim for 230g of protein, 230g of carbs, and 120g of fat, for around 2,900 calories. I'm not a huge fan of carbs outside of those freely in fruit/veggies and the random pasta or rice, so I'm upping the fat and lowering the carbs. So that would mean...40g of protein, 40g of carbs and 20g of fat per meal...which I think I can safely do and still get lean and drop weight while building adequate muscle.

Does your nutritionist know you will be running AAS and have experience putting together diets for guys on AAS?

Why would you avoid carbs while on AAS and trying to build muscle? Why sabotage yourself? Are you familiar with glycogen and the effect AAS has on it?

You can't reduce body fat (cut) and build muscle ast the same time. Pick one or the other. Bulk or Cut. Set up your diet accordingly. You need too figure out what your goals are.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Man, what a mess. Please listen to Mega man he's right and only trying to help you... not just with your cycle but your health is the biggest issue here. PCT is not something you can afford to fuck up, and your current plan is seriously just shooting yourself in the foot (or balls lol.)

Take the time to learn or you might just end up stuck on TRT for life.

 

[psionicsin]

I missed the PCT part. Sorry.

You should not run hCG while doing PCT. It is suppressive to your HPTA. This was covered in that FAQs link I recommended you read. HCG should be used while on cycle to minimize testicular atrophy however

I'm sorry, but you misread/missed a lot of things again...

Nolvadex is my PCT. That's it. I'm starting that a week after my last injection, and planned 40mg for 2 weeks. If 2 weeks is too short, I'll do 30mg for 4 weeks. Fixed. If clomid is a requirement than I'll look into that.

I'll be taking HCG during weeks 6-12 of my cycle (not during PCT).

And Letro is on hand just in case gyno symptoms occur (the AI tabs I mentioned in post #1).

I used a nutritionist LAST year (2015). I'm not using one this time (2016). I'm developing my own plans.

I said NOTHING about avoiding carbs. I said I'll be subbing slightly more fat grams for carb grams as i'm not a huge carb person.

And I thought I made it crystal clear in my first post, however maybe I didn't. I'm cutting. I'm not concerned AT ALL with building large amounts of muscle. I'm concerned with burning the most amount of fat and toning the muscle I have. My best version of myself is drastically different from the best version of these guys that have been on this forum for a while I'm sure. PS I'm in good shape, just not visually what I want.

My plans for bloodwork and my condition are between my doctor and I, but please believe that's handled. He was made aware of all of the compounds I'm on and will report accordingly. Pre-labs, taken on Dec 24th were 618ng/dl.

And, no, I don't feel like I have to scramble to do research aside from the Macros LOL. I am getting the sense, however, like my posts aren't being throughly read before being responded to as I'm having to re-clarify things I've already typed. And it's not helping when you have bandwagon people thinking I'm catching some sort of attitude, when I'm just making sure what I typed was read how I typed it.

 

[Megatron28]

I'm sorry, but you misread/missed a lot of things again...

Nolvadex is my PCT. That's it. I'm starting that a week after my last injection, and planned 40mg for 2 weeks. If 2 weeks is too short, I'll do 30mg for 4 weeks. Fixed. If clomid is a requirement than I'll look into that.

I'll be taking HCG during weeks 6-12 of my cycle (not during PCT).

And Letro is on hand just in case gyno symptoms occur (the AI tabs I mentioned in post #1).

I used a nutritionist LAST year (2015). I'm not using one this time (2016). I'm developing my own plans.

I said NOTHING about avoiding carbs. I said I'll be subbing slightly more fat grams for carb grams as i'm not a huge carb person.

And I thought I made it crystal clear in my first post, however maybe I didn't. I'm cutting. I'm not concerned AT ALL with building large amounts of muscle. I'm concerned with burning the most amount of fat and toning the muscle I have. My best version of myself is drastically different from the best version of these guys that have been on this forum for a while I'm sure. PS I'm in good shape, just not visually what I want.

My plans for bloodwork and my condition are between my doctor and I, but please believe that's handled. He was made aware of all of the compounds I'm on and will report accordingly. Pre-labs, taken on Dec 24th were 618ng/dl.

And, no, I don't feel like I have to scramble to do research aside from the Macros LOL. I am getting the sense, however, like my posts aren't being throughly read before being responded to as I'm having to re-clarify things I've already typed. And it's not helping when you have bandwagon people thinking I'm catching some sort of attitude, when I'm just making sure what I typed was read how I typed it.

Clomid + Nolva for PCT.

Take hCG from Day 1 of cycle until three days before PCT starts. Don't permit your testicles to atrophy.

Letro should not be used for treating Gyno. That is old school. Raloxifene (or tamoxifen if Raloxifene iis unavailable) is preferred. See FAQs link for medical studies.

Here is what you said about carbs:

I'm not a huge fan of carbs outside of those freely in fruit/veggies and the random pasta or rice, so I'm upping the fat and lowering the carbs.

You say you are not concerned about building muscle, but you posted:

Based off of what I was trying to do (cut a huge amount of fat, and gain SOME solid muscle

which I think I can safely do and still get lean and drop weight while building adequate muscle

Why hide your blood work plan and your medical condition here? You are completed anonymous on this forum.

Which Dopamine Agonist do you have oin hand? Will you be running it?

How often are you pinning?

 

[Ziegler]

#clusterfuck

 

[psionicsin]

Here is what you said about carbs:

I know exactly what I typed, and again, I said nothing about avoiding. In general I've never been a fan of bread, cereal, and pasta. Has nothing to do with diet and everything to do with me not caring for them. So, yes, the traditionally known carb sources I'm not a fan of so I'll be trading some fat macros for the carbs. This is absolutely not an issue so I'm trying to find out why this is such a big deal.

You say you are not concerned about building muscle, but you posted:

I know exactly what I typed, and again, I said nothing about gaining large amounts of muscle. Solid/Adequate to me is toning the muscle I do have. If I said I want to look like Arnold, but also lose a lot of weight...then I can see your point. But again...that's not what I said. I understand that people can take their own interpretation of what's said and spin it...but wow...the words and lead constructs are right there. With this current cycle I'll gain SOME muscle, but I'm aiming to lose a ton of fat. I fail to see how that's not even remotely true.

Why hide your blood work plan and your medical condition here? You are completed anonymous on this forum.

My bloodwork plan was 1-2 weeks before (already completed), on week 6 (I'm choosing the direct middle of my cycle), and 1-2 weeks after. And I'm not "hiding" my condition. However rather than speculate and have people who don't know what they're talking about give me their 2¢, I actually sought the help of my doctor. He's handling it, he knows everything, and me listing that on here is irrelevant. And what...? For me to get the same lines of words I've seen while doing the forum search I conducted a month ago (well before I started)?

So now you're saying I shouldn't have consulted my doctor? That my doctor doesn't know what he's doing? That because I didn't get a doctor certified by you guys, that now his multiple degrees are irrelevant? That his pioneering of a certain field and practice isn't actually the best and that he and many across this country are dumb for following his breakthroughs? Gosh you guys have some nerve.

Which Dopamine Agonist do you have oin hand? Will you be running it?

None, and no I won't be running any. And yes, I know what it is. And no, that's not needed for the low levels and product I'm working with. That comes from both my supplier and my doctor btw.

How often are you pinning?

This is absolutely irrelevant, unless I said "Gosh I hate needles". 3 times a week. Yes yes, one more than the recommended twice with Test E. Does my love/hate for needles or threshold for pain make this any better or worse? No.

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You know, I give you guys answers to the questions YOU'VE asked...and yet you guys just come out with more questions. All in the hopes of possibly discrediting me like I'm some 18 year old with daddy's cash and wants to do what he sees others do. I've visited MANY MANY MANY other "My first cycle" threads, and never had I seen you guys ask even half of these questions to other people and I doubt it's that you care more about me than another person on here.

I've given you all of the information YOU'VE asked for. If you have questions beyond these, then they obviously weren't as important as you'd have asked them all together. And the ONLY thing I didn't know about were then macros, of which now I'm fully onboard. So besides me running product that you personally don't "recommend" (recommend being the operative word btw) and me not knowing about macros at the start...how am I in any trouble? A ton of the questions you asked were actually answered in the first post, but because you were so quick to add in your 2¢, you didn't bother reading almost anything I typed beyond the Test Comp I'm using because you started hate typing your 2¢.

Or is it because I'm not saying "Yes, sir" to everyone on here that I'm getting this kind of backlash? I didn't know BDSM and Dom/Sub nature was a requirement to be apart of this forum. Guess I need to find my closest dungeon now...shucks.

And @Megatron, you're a forum moderator. If you had any inkling to help outside of attempting (<=== operative word) public online bullying, which is what you've actually been doing btw, you'd have said "Hey man...PM me and let's talk a tad further about getting you corrected". Criticism is first stating the issue, and then presenting a solution. However all you've done has been to state an issue without a solution. And then when I answer these accusations in a totally respectful and informative manner, you start bringing up other things from the woodwork.

So now my thread, which was supposed to be about the public tracking of my numbers and results, is now a #clusterfuck (don't think I forgot about you ) of online witch hunt like behavior. This needs to be closed so I can start anew. This whole back & forth on this thread looks absolutely ridiculous.

 

[tbonexl]

Well considering you only have 8 posts, you can't pm anybody. As far as megatron bullying you, you just didn't like what he said. Your looking for a "yes man".. Talking to your doctor about steroid use just put you into the drug abuse category. Insurance companies will red flag you and your premiums will be high. You read through countless "my first cycle" threads. Did any of them look remotely like yours? Maybe that's why you're getting the feedback and criticism you're getting. If you know everything you need to know, why did you start this thread? I'm curious...

 

[Megatron28]

I know exactly what I typed, and again, I said nothing about avoiding. In general I've never been a fan of bread, cereal, and pasta. Has nothing to do with diet and everything to do with me not caring for them. So, yes, the traditionally known carb sources I'm not a fan of so I'll be trading some fat macros for the carbs. This is absolutely not an issue so I'm trying to find out why this is such a big deal.



I know exactly what I typed, and again, I said nothing about gaining large amounts of muscle. Solid/Adequate to me is toning the muscle I do have. If I said I want to look like Arnold, but also lose a lot of weight...then I can see your point. But again...that's not what I said. I understand that people can take their own interpretation of what's said and spin it...but wow...the words and lead constructs are right there. With this current cycle I'll gain SOME muscle, but I'm aiming to lose a ton of fat. I fail to see how that's not even remotely true.



My bloodwork plan was 1-2 weeks before (already completed), on week 6 (I'm choosing the direct middle of my cycle), and 1-2 weeks after. And I'm not "hiding" my condition. However rather than speculate and have people who don't know what they're talking about give me their 2¢, I actually sought the help of my doctor. He's handling it, he knows everything, and me listing that on here is irrelevant. And what...? For me to get the same lines of words I've seen while doing the forum search I conducted a month ago (well before I started)?

So now you're saying I shouldn't have consulted my doctor? That my doctor doesn't know what he's doing? That because I didn't get a doctor certified by you guys, that now his multiple degrees are irrelevant? That his pioneering of a certain field and practice isn't actually the best and that he and many across this country are dumb for following his breakthroughs? Gosh you guys have some nerve.



None, and no I won't be running any. And yes, I know what it is. And no, that's not needed for the low levels and product I'm working with. That comes from both my supplier and my doctor btw.



This is absolutely irrelevant, unless I said "Gosh I hate needles". 3 times a week. Yes yes, one more than the recommended twice with Test E. Does my love/hate for needles or threshold for pain make this any better or worse? No.

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You know, I give you guys answers to the questions YOU'VE asked...and yet you guys just come out with more questions. All in the hopes of possibly discrediting me like I'm some 18 year old with daddy's cash and wants to do what he sees others do. I've visited MANY MANY MANY other "My first cycle" threads, and never had I seen you guys ask even half of these questions to other people and I doubt it's that you care more about me than another person on here.

I've given you all of the information YOU'VE asked for. If you have questions beyond these, then they obviously weren't as important as you'd have asked them all together. And the ONLY thing I didn't know about were then macros, of which now I'm fully onboard. So besides me running product that you personally don't "recommend" (recommend being the operative word btw) and me not knowing about macros at the start...how am I in any trouble? A ton of the questions you asked were actually answered in the first post, but because you were so quick to add in your 2¢, you didn't bother reading almost anything I typed beyond the Test Comp I'm using because you started hate typing your 2¢.

Or is it because I'm not saying "Yes, sir" to everyone on here that I'm getting this kind of backlash? I didn't know BDSM and Dom/Sub nature was a requirement to be apart of this forum. Guess I need to find my closest dungeon now...shucks.

And @Megatron, you're a forum moderator. If you had any inkling to help outside of attempting (<=== operative word) public online bullying, which is what you've actually been doing btw, you'd have said "Hey man...PM me and let's talk a tad further about getting you corrected". Criticism is first stating the issue, and then presenting a solution. However all you've done has been to state an issue without a solution. And then when I answer these accusations in a totally respectful and informative manner, you start bringing up other things from the woodwork.

So now my thread, which was supposed to be about the public tracking of my numbers and results, is now a #clusterfuck (don't think I forgot about you ) of online witch hunt like behavior. This needs to be closed so I can start anew. This whole back & forth on this thread looks absolutely ridiculous.

So let me tackle the laundry list here...

Carbs: are we really arguing over the semantics of "avoiding" and "lowering" carbs? Want to reconsider the context of those two words?

Why are carbs important? As I mentioned to you earlier, you need glycogen to make muscle gains in the gym. Glycogen is a key to success. That is why it is an issue. You just didn't seem to understand the connection between carbs and glycogen.

Muscle: for most guys, "building solid muscle" does not equate to toning ones existing muscle. I hope you can now recognize this. You are on a steroids forum afterall.

Gaining muscle/losing fat: I previously pointed pointed out to you that this is contradictory. You can't have a diet that allows you to do both - even while using steroids. I suggested to you earlier that you pick one of these goals and set your diet accordingly.

Medical Condition: I asked because I was trying to help you. Perhaps one of the guys here has dealt with the same condition and could offer advice. Again, you are anonymous here.

Consulting Doc about steroid use: as Tbone said, this is now part of your medical record. It will make it hard to get life insurance and may bias your future medical care. And in all fairness they don't have a class on cycling AAS for performance enhancement in medical school. Most docs know very little about AAS unless they use them personally.

Dopamine Agonist: we have already shown that your supplier has given you horrible advice by recommending that you run tren, Mast and Winny on your very first cycle and you got bad advice on PCT/hCG. So lets not assume he/she is giving you great advice about DA's. The truth is you may in fact need one. The prudent choice would be to have one on hand in case it becomes necessary. Lactating or having a limp dick kind of ruins things.

Pinning Frequency: this is very relevant. For some reason, you just referenced how often Test E needs to be pinned. You are not running Test E. You are running esters that have much shorter half lives. I asked because again I was trying to help you. The recommended pinning frequency for the esters you are running is every other day, not three times a week. But what you are doing will probably suffice -- it just isn't the preferred way. So your choice.

Questions and Advice: The reason I have asked you questions is because from the beginning I recognized that you are running a really bad first cycle -- which you have acknowledged is true. I have continued to ask questions because your responses have pointed to other potential issues. I have been peeling the layers of the onion. Along the way, I have offered you lots of advice. Some of it was specific advice and some of it was through the Socratic Method.

PM vs. Post Here: the reason I posted here and continue to do so is so that in the future other guys can read this thread and learn from it. I also think there is significant value in your getting input from other members -- not just me. Other guys have been kind enough to take time out of their day to offer you advice as well fortunately.

None of us posting in this thread are profiting off you. We are simply trying to help you because each one of us was in your shoes once. We are attempting to pay it forward. Can you say the same about your supplier who is giving all this bad advice? Or your nutritionist that put you on a 1800 calorie diet? Or whomever else you have gotten this bad advice from? We're they profiting off you and potentially biased?

Solutions: if you go back and read the thread from the beginning you will see many solutions being offered. You were told how to run hCG. You were told to do a test only cycle - no Mast, tren or Winny - on your first go. You were told the importance of diet macros and glycogen. You were told about clomid and nolva. You were told that running PCT for two weeks is not long enough. And so on. Just because you don't like the solution does not mean it isn't in fact a solution. I can't spoon feed you more than that!

I wish you all the best of luck on this cycle in achieving your goals and getting your HPTA up and running again afterwards. The ball is in your court now. Be stubborn and blaze your own path or reasses what you are doing. Many guys have gone before you and much was learned along the way. In my mind, it would be a shame to not leverage that knowledge.

 

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I am going to go as far as to lead you by the nose. I will make certain presumptions in that what you really want to do is reduce bodyfat and maintain muscle mass on this cycle.

- Run a Ketogenic diet. Keep net carbs below 30g daily.
- Run a test only cycle to prevent muscle loss. Ancillaries of AI and hCG.
- PCT consists of clomid and nolva. Timing depends on what esters you run.
- Put daily calories 500-1000 kcal below your TDEE (depends on your will power). When fat loss slows drop calories further.
- Keep working out in the gym. Lift heavy since your glycogen will be depleted. Keep weights in the range where you can only do 3-6 reps per set. Compound lifts like DLs, Squats, Bench, Rows are preferred since they will use up remaining glycogen stores.
- Do LISS after you do weight training (if you have enough energy). Or walk for an hour a day.
- Consider T3 and an EC stack. Maybe clen.
- Consult doc about your medical condition to make sure any of the above is not contraindicated.