My First Cycle Help!
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mattd46612
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Too young... Too small. Lift and eat like crazy for 2 years then try.
OKAY BF IS 12% IM THINKING OF DOING A 10-12 WEEK CYCLE OF TEST 300 mg and also some clomid if i need it.
my diet consist of
6: am 3 egg whites, oatmeal
8:45 am protien bar or some peanut butter
11: am 2 cups of brown rice with some chicken,fish, or meat.
1:00 pm protein shake (tru mass by bsn)
3:00 some peanutbutter and jelly
6:30 2 cups of brownrice with veggies some chicken,fish,or meat.
8:15 protien shake (tru mass by bsn)
my whole intake is about 185 grams of protein
to 2225 i was weighing about 152 4 months ago but i started eating right now im at 165.
my diet consist of
6: am 3 egg whites, oatmeal
8:45 am protien bar or some peanut butter
11: am 2 cups of brown rice with some chicken,fish, or meat.
1:00 pm protein shake (tru mass by bsn)
3:00 some peanutbutter and jelly
6:30 2 cups of brownrice with veggies some chicken,fish,or meat.
8:15 protien shake (tru mass by bsn)
my whole intake is about 185 grams of protein
to 2225 i was weighing about 152 4 months ago but i started eating right now im at 165.
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ok you still havent told me your training history. IMO 21 is the youngest anyone should be to be using gear, and that is very contingent on your training history.
it sounds like you have made huge gains in the last 4 months and do not need gear at this time. My advice without hearing anything else would be keep lifting, up the calories, a continue researching.
it sounds like you have made huge gains in the last 4 months and do not need gear at this time. My advice without hearing anything else would be keep lifting, up the calories, a continue researching.
Strega
The Hot Mess
You eat like a bird. It looks nice and clean, but you arent eating near enough.
Like stated earlier gaining 12 real lbs in 4 months (eating like a runway model at that) is great and the fact of the matter is that you shouldnt discount that gain. Gear is for when you cannot go up anymore, for when you have reached your natural potential. Think of it this way if you continue the pace that you have already stated, you will be a tad more than 30lbs heavier in a year. Most guys on this board would think that is awesome.
Like stated earlier gaining 12 real lbs in 4 months (eating like a runway model at that) is great and the fact of the matter is that you shouldnt discount that gain. Gear is for when you cannot go up anymore, for when you have reached your natural potential. Think of it this way if you continue the pace that you have already stated, you will be a tad more than 30lbs heavier in a year. Most guys on this board would think that is awesome.
TheMilkMan
New member
Strega said:
i would be the happiest person in the world if i could do that
StoneColdNTO
Administrator
Please read this; There's a very good possibility that most of this applies to you.
What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com the link is http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/age.htm
Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.
Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:
1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.
2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.
3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.
4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.
The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.
For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:
Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.
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What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com the link is http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/age.htm
Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.
Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:
1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.
2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.
3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.
4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.
The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.
For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:
Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.
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Too young, wait a few years and trust me your dick will thank you. TRUST ME I SPEAK THE TRUTH. Lift naturally till you are 26, you will easily put on another 20-30 pounds with hard work and good food,then jump on steroids, shit can be pretty harsh sometimes, dont mess with your youth unless you are considering a profession where the use of steroids is absolutely necessary.
Oakay Some One Critique My Routine.
Monday
Legs
Squat 5x5
Leg Press 2x15
Calf Raises 3x25
Lunges 3x12
Leg Curl3x12
Leg Extension 3x12
Abs 6x30
Tuesday
Chest & Tri’s
Flat Bench……5x5
Incline 5x5
Decline Db…….3x10
Flys 3x10
Close Grip 2x12
Skull Crushers 5x5
Dips 3x10
Pushdown 3x10
Thursday
Back * Biceps
Lat Pulldown 5x5
Deadlift 5x5
Seated Rows 5x5
Pullups 3x10
Db Curl 5x5
Hammer Curl 3x12
Barbell Curl 2x15
Abs 4x30
Friday
Shoulders
Military Press 5x5
Shrugs 5x5
Db Press 3x12
Rev Flies 3x12
Db Raises 3x10
Abs 3x30
Monday
Legs
Squat 5x5
Leg Press 2x15
Calf Raises 3x25
Lunges 3x12
Leg Curl3x12
Leg Extension 3x12
Abs 6x30
Tuesday
Chest & Tri’s
Flat Bench……5x5
Incline 5x5
Decline Db…….3x10
Flys 3x10
Close Grip 2x12
Skull Crushers 5x5
Dips 3x10
Pushdown 3x10
Thursday
Back * Biceps
Lat Pulldown 5x5
Deadlift 5x5
Seated Rows 5x5
Pullups 3x10
Db Curl 5x5
Hammer Curl 3x12
Barbell Curl 2x15
Abs 4x30
Friday
Shoulders
Military Press 5x5
Shrugs 5x5
Db Press 3x12
Rev Flies 3x12
Db Raises 3x10
Abs 3x30
StoneColdNTO
Administrator
GET HUGE said:
Your better off posting about your training in the Training Forum......You should really start a new thread there.
Behemoth
New member
Holy shit, that is a retarded routine. Yeah, go post in the training forum - or better yet, go do some reading over there first.
And do us all a favor... don't try to program your own training for at least another several years. Like I said before, follow a training protocol that takes most of the thinking out of it for you - I've been doing DC lately and love it, I'd highly recommend that one.
And do us all a favor... don't try to program your own training for at least another several years. Like I said before, follow a training protocol that takes most of the thinking out of it for you - I've been doing DC lately and love it, I'd highly recommend that one.
