my first cycle. ur thoughts welcome

[liamg]

I am new to this site and after extensive research i am ready to take on my first cycle.

I am 5' 7" ectomorph 150lbs aged 24. training since 2002. stopped in 2008 for one year as i had a number of muay thai bouts which obviously brought weight down to around 140lb. Back in the gym since 2009. Looking to get to around 164lbs.

I am going to run test e at 200mg ew for 8 weeks. followed by nolva post cycle therapy (pct) for 4 weeks.

i wanted to keep dosage low to see how i react to test. And duration as short as possible to reduce sides. Thanx for reading.

Oh yes diet will be around 3000 cal ed split into 5 meals. training times mon, tues, wed rest, thurs, friday, sat and sun rest.

Please post ur views.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

running 200mg a week would be silly-you woul shut down your natural test production-when your body is producing enough to give you the same effects

choobaka is a wookie-it just dont make any sense

 

[liamg]

ok so what do u suggest? ive read on here that people have had good gains from 250. so didnt think 50 less would be so bad

 

[tazman03]

ya man 200mg is Wasting your gear. I take it that the "extensive research" wasn't that extensive...........

 

[Ythrashin]

At least 500mg of Test per week. I really doubt you'll get any sides from the Test other then a little estrogen and massive growth.

Get a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to control estro and you'll be good to go.

HCG during your cycle wouldnt hurt either.

Clomid and/or Nolva for PCT.

 

[Ythrashin]

ya man 200mg is Wasting your gear. I take it that the "extensive research" wasn't that extensive...........

The only time I'd recommend only 200mg per week is if he plans on fighting and doing a lot of cardio. He'd have to stack EQ and/or anavar with the 200mg/wk tho..

Good fighter stack...

200-300mg Test
EQ and Anavar

 

[liamg]

my research was more into the sides probably why im wary of them. really didn,t want to do 500mg. as ive read 250 will get good results. at what week do i take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on 8 week cycle

 

[tazman03]

The only time I'd reccoend only 200mg per week is if he plans on fighting and dowing a lot of cardio. He'd have to stack EQ and/or anavar with the 200mg/wk tho..

Good fighter stack...

200-300mg Test
EQ and Anavar

to gain 24lbs????????????

 

[liamg]

That was one of my worries too. That if i bulk too much i might take another fight so have too much weight to lose. think im gonna stick to 250 for my first cycle see how i react. My aim is not massive gains. 14lbs or as close to it as poss

 

[Ythrashin]

to gain 24lbs????????????

I was giving a hypothetical situation where I would recommend only a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dosage of Test.

Thought I made that clear...

 

[Ythrashin]

my research was more into the sides probably why im wary of them. really didn,t want to do 500mg. as ive read 250 will get good results. at what week do i take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on 8 week cycle

No...

250 is a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dosage of Test bro.
You'll see results if you have low Test.
Run 400-500 for good results.

What sides..? Please tell me what you are worried about?

 

[Ythrashin]

Hell at 150lbs you could probably eat more and gain 20+lbs. You should probably talk to Jamyjamjr in the diet forum....

Get your diet in check then in about 6months to a year start a cycle after diet and training takes you as fare as it can.

 

[liamg]

acne, and nut shrinkage. i know Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will sort the latter out but didnt want to take it if i didnt have to. I thought taht coz i was only 150lbs maybe i didnt need as high a dose. maybe u could revise my cycle if u think its a waste of time and money.

 

[Ythrashin]

acne, and nut shrinkage. i know Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will sort the latter out but didnt want to take it if i didnt have to. I thought taht coz i was only 150lbs maybe i didnt need as high a dose. maybe u could revise my cycle if u think its a waste of time and money.

I've actually seen fewer complaints about acne on larger doses of Test.

Many people that Cruise and blast only get acne on their cruising dosage but then goes away when they blast.

If you get acne it will probably be in PCT.

250mg will shut you down the same as 500mg. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would recommended for either a 250 or 500mg cycle. Nut shrinkage and HPTA shutdown will be almost the same at either dosages...

Read this thread
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/153723-300mg-vs-600mg-testosterone.html

 

[liamg]

ok so when should i hit the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at what week ? if I am diong 500mg fo 8wk

 

[tazman03]

I was giving a hypothetical situation where I would recommend only a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dosage of Test.

Thought I made that clear...

ok, didnt mean to come off wrong,

I guess being his first cycle, he could make pretty decent gains with minimal dosage, but like you said he could probably naturally do it with diet alone.

Trust me it sucks being that small, so in that aspect I feel you man. I was 125lb wrestler all through school all I knew was cutting weight..... eat to gain weight and watch what happens

 

[tazman03]

ok so when should i hit the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at what week ? if I am diong 500mg fo 8wk

if you are still in the midst of competition, then I would listen to the advice ythrashin gave ya of the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose. At 500mg, you more than likely will start to hold water, but there are ways to avoid water weight gain, so just read up on them.

 

[liamg]

ok, didnt mean to come off wrong,

I guess being his first cycle, he could make pretty decent gains with minimal dosage, but like you said he could probably naturally do it with diet alone.

Trust me it sucks being that small, so in that aspect I feel you man. I was 125lb wrestler all through school all I knew was cutting weight..... eat to gain weight and watch what happens

I know and thanks for understanding. Ive been eating like a horse for the last year and training hard. I have gained 10lbs but cant seem to gain anymore. seems like ive hit a wall. if u thimk i will make gains with say..300mg for 8 wk id be happy tryin that out.

 

[Ythrashin]

I know and thanks for understanding. Ive been eating like a horse for the last year and training hard. I have gained 10lbs but cant seem to gain anymore. seems like ive hit a wall. if u thimk i will make gains with say..300mg for 8 wk id be happy tryin that out.

You'll more then likely make gains running 300mg but you'll probably see more at 400-500mg.

Did you read that thread Stone posted?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you could do 300-but i think its silly-run 500mg-or dont run it

an 8 week cycle of test e is pointless to me too-if your going to shut down your balls-mine as well make it worth while-how much weight/water you gain will most depend on your diet-and at only 3000cals i dont see you gaining much weight at all