My first cycle

[cibic]

Hi y'all. Looking to start my first cycle now that I'm old enough and need some clarifications in regards to a few questions I have.

Stats:
age: 24 in 3 months
height: 172cm
weight: 68.5kg
bmi: 23.2
bodyfat: 12-13%

goal: 75-80kg with 10% bf


My 12 week beginers cycle:

Testosterone Enanthate - 400 to 600mg per week
Equipoise (Boldenone) - 300 to 500mg per week
Danabol DS / Anabol - 30mg to 60mg per day (first 8 weeks only)

From what I was reading I should stick to the volumes of injectibles through out the cycle, right?


Supplements through out: CEL Cycle assist - 4 capsules twice daily, multis, omega 3's, detox stuff and coffee enema once a month, preworkout such as caffeine and beta aline


Two weeks after final injection I will start this PCT for 4 weeks: Forma Stanzol subdermal lotion 3-7 pumps twice daily (replacing HCG+clomid)
Thinking of acquiring nolvadex just in case?
Creatine Monohydrate for three months
Tribulus Pro - 95% Saponins for god know how long

Gavin Kane suggests keeping anti-estrogen to a minimum unless you notice signs of gyno and test atrophy. Baring that in mind, how is my PCT?

Please do not confuse me as there are loads of information and opinions. If you could answer only the questions I would greatly appreciate it.
I am open to way better alternatives and no no's if you feel I should know.

Thanks

 

[LittleNicky230]

I feel you should drop 1 compound for your first time around. Test+EQ or Test+Dbol just my opinion. Haven't personally done to much research on Forma Stanzol, so can't really comment on that.

 

[losieloos]

Don't run dbol at 60 mg do 25 -40 and run it with test only that's it no eq

 

[cibic]

You guys are probably right as Gavin Kane suggested doing only test. Thank you lads, +1 for both

 

[nickb86]

stick to test e 12weeks and if you have too add the dbol for 4-6 weeks at the begining. youll gain loads and love it if you tackle it right.
Forget EQ it should be run 16 weeks minimum maybe longer and you have no need for it.

run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) oncycle like aromasin 12.5 mg eod, 1-12 and youll be fine,

id run testicular support on cycle aswell in the form of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or hcgcnerate.

And run a decent post cycle therapy (pct) of clomid, unleashed/postcycle, daa and forma stanzol

 

[cibic]

On cycle, should I start by injecting 400mg of test e + 30mg dbol then work my way up or stick to the the same through out?

 

[nickb86]

On cycle, should I start by injecting 400mg of test e + 30mg dbol then work my way up or stick to the the same through out?

start with what ever dosage you like but continue it straight thro the cycle to keep even levels, with the longer esters dont taper them as its pointless keep your test consistent throughout your cycle.
if you wanted to increase the test dosage to 500 somehwere along cycle thats ok, but you then keep at 500mg for the rest of the cycle dont have your test dosage yoyoing around mate.

you could taper and increase the dbol if you like as you go thro the cycle, say 30 mg upto 60mg etc if you have used before youll know what to roughly expect and whats good for you, start at 30 for a week bud see how it is and adjust accordingly for another weeks and so on if youre unsure, you should be fine but gradually feel your way in if you are unsure or if it is 1st time usage...

 

[cibic]

Cheers bud, not comfortable increasing if I am honest unless it's absolutely necessary and I will remember that about long esters.

 

[bAMRam]

hey man. Just to clarify for everyone else (I also use metric system) but 68kgs is only 150lbs!! you're 24yrs old and about 5'9. Personal opinion, and that all it is, is that you should bulk up some before you even consider it. you get get to 75kgs easy just on a proper diet. That's honest truth. I think a ton of people would agree.

Think of it this way. Reach your plateau with diet only and then once you cant physically gain any more weight NATURALLY then go into the pharmaceutical stuff. If you say you cant gain any more weight right now by eating then you're lying and should ever use gear because it'll be pointless.

 

[3J]

WTF??? what happened to the gold standard rule of test only for first time users???

so what happens if this guy has issues on cycle.. which one of you are going to tell him what compound was the culprate? wtf are you guys doing???

10 weeks of test at 500mg a week.. THATS IT!!!


also, your diet is going to play an extremely major factor of the results of you cycle.. so if you dont know how to diet get professional help (i am currently taking clients 3J's Nutrition | Diet and fitness consulting to get you to the next level.) .. if you do then your ok...


again, i highly recommend you do a test only cycle

 

[cibic]

hey man. Just to clarify for everyone else (I also use metric system) but 68kgs is only 150lbs!! you're 24yrs old and about 5'9. Personal opinion, and that all it is, is that you should bulk up some before you even consider it. you get get to 75kgs easy just on a proper diet. That's honest truth. I think a ton of people would agree.

Think of it this way. Reach your plateau with diet only and then once you cant physically gain any more weight NATURALLY then go into the pharmaceutical stuff. If you say you cant gain any more weight right now by eating then you're lying and should ever use gear because it'll be pointless.

I have little need to justify or prove anything to you and I do not have to lie to myself to get the easy way out. That points to you relating to me, ergo you probably think as such and I assure you, we are not the same. I will however explain my situation a little better as there are others subscribed to this thread.
Been training since I was 16 and my top weight stuffing myself was 70 kilos with 11% bf. Currently consuming 3000 kcals a day non training and 3500 days I am. Would you like to know my diet before making false accusations?
I have been consulting a level 5 personal trainer for two years and gained 3 kilos of lean muscle. Trainer said the best I can gain in lean mass is 3-4 kilos for the first year. At this point we concluded that my genetics will not allow me to gain much more lean mass (somewhere between endo and ecto). I do feel I have exhausted the alternatives, supplement options (probably have a receipt for each supp category you can think of), money, time, and mostly effort (WAS benching 2 plates or 100kg in total 4 reps, squating 120kg 4 reps, and proper pull ups of 95 kilos including my bodyweight for 6 reps, and all with 4 second negative). Been doing everything by the book and followed guidelines religiously. There were days I fainted, threw up, injured myself and mostly felt like shit from overdoing it - yes, anger issues and insecurities. I've grown tired and about to throw the towel as it feels pointless; been stuck to 60-70 kilos since I started training.
I do consider myself highly motivated and persistent as it takes a lot for me to give up on something. I do have trouble letting go hence "my first cycle" thread.
How would you feel if you were in my shoes?

 

[cibic]

WTF??? what happened to the gold standard rule of test only for first time users???

so what happens if this guy has issues on cycle.. which one of you are going to tell him what compound was the culprate? wtf are you guys doing???

10 weeks of test at 500mg a week.. THATS IT!!!


also, your diet is going to play an extremely major factor of the results of you cycle.. so if you dont know how to diet get professional help (i am currently taking clients 3J's Nutrition | Diet and fitness consulting to get you to the next level.) .. if you do then your ok...


again, i highly recommend you do a test only cycle

I see the logic behind it but won't I need to jumpstart the gains as bro'ology suggests?

 

[nickb86]

didnt realise it was your 1st cycle id just stick to test E for 12 weeks what above said is true and its best to stick to the basics you wont need anything extra until the test is not giving you the gains you want anymore. You could add a kicker to it for a 1st time but its not needed il lay out a stack for you which is perfect for a 1st timer, il inlcude the dbol kicker but you dont really need it, and youll gain a solid 20lbs + off this and very possible to get more if your diet and training are on point.
1-12 test E 500mg split mon/thursday
2-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod
7-12 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500ius x2 a week
1-4 dbol kicker
1-4 N2guard (remove if you dont add the Dbol kicker)
PCT.
14-17 clomid 50/25/25/25
14-17 nolva 40/20/20/20
14-19 forma stanzol
14-19 Daa 3g's a day

this will be plenty remember less is often more buddy and your gains come from controlling sides on cycle and smooth a recovery, fail on these fronts (most do by adding silly things) and youl either gain less or lose all you worked for when you dont recover.
hope this helps and good luck

 

[cibic]

didnt realise it was your 1st cycle id just stick to test E for 12 weeks what above said is true and its best to stick to the basics you wont need anything extra until the test is not giving you the gains you want anymore. You could add a kicker to it for a 1st time but its not needed il lay out a stack for you which is perfect for a 1st timer, il inlcude the dbol kicker but you dont really need it, and youll gain a solid 20lbs + off this and very possible to get more if your diet and training are on point.
1-12 test E 500mg split mon/thursday
2-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod
7-12 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500ius x2 a week
1-4 dbol kicker
1-4 N2guard (remove if you dont add the Dbol kicker)
PCT.
14-17 clomid 50/25/25/25
14-17 nolva 40/20/20/20
14-19 forma stanzol
14-19 Daa 3g's a day

this will be plenty remember less is often more buddy and your gains come from controlling sides on cycle and smooth a recovery, fail on these fronts (most do by adding silly things) and youl either gain less or lose all you worked for when you dont recover.
hope this helps and good luck

I like it!

I got injured with tennis elbow now and gutted as I feel it's a bad idea to start my first cycle. Can't get enough sleep (lucky to get 8 hours)

I've added Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and aromasin but I have decided to include equipoise for tendon/ligament strengthening regardless as I cannot afford to get injured while on cycle. Not planing a second cycle if I'm being honest; uncomfortable with gear to begin with. Since this would be my first cycle and assuming I'm near my genetic limitation then my goals should be easily reachable.

Here it is:

1-13 Testosterone Enanthate - 400 pw (2 weeks before PCT)
1-12 Equipoise (Boldenone) - 300mg pw (need to leave 3 weeks before PCT)
1-4 Danabol DS / Anabol - 40mg pd
1-20 1000mg Milk thistle
7-13 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - 1000ius pw
2-13 aromasin - 12.5mg eod

14-16 off

PCT
17-20 nolva( 40/20/20/20) + clomid (50/25/25/25)
17-29 Creatine Monohydrate - Kre-Alkalyn
17-21 Tribulus Terrestris Pro

What do you think?

 

[stalkerdog]

I have little need to justify or prove anything to you and I do not have to lie to myself to get the easy way out. That points to you relating to me, ergo you probably think as such and I assure you, we are not the same. I will however explain my situation a little better as there are others subscribed to this thread.
Been training since I was 16 and my top weight stuffing myself was 70 kilos with 11% bf. Currently consuming 3000 kcals a day non training and 3500 days I am. Would you like to know my diet before making false accusations?
I have been consulting a level 5 personal trainer for two years and gained 3 kilos of lean muscle. Trainer said the best I can gain in lean mass is 3-4 kilos for the first year. At this point we concluded that my genetics will not allow me to gain much more lean mass (somewhere between endo and ecto). I do feel I have exhausted the alternatives, supplement options (probably have a receipt for each supp category you can think of), money, time, and mostly effort (WAS benching 2 plates or 100kg in total 4 reps, squating 120kg 4 reps, and proper pull ups of 95 kilos including my bodyweight for 6 reps, and all with 4 second negative). Been doing everything by the book and followed guidelines religiously. There were days I fainted, threw up, injured myself and mostly felt like shit from overdoing it - yes, anger issues and insecurities. I've grown tired and about to throw the towel as it feels pointless; been stuck to 60-70 kilos since I started training.
I do consider myself highly motivated and persistent as it takes a lot for me to give up on something. I do have trouble letting go hence "my first cycle" thread.
How would you feel if you were in my shoes?

way to go bud!!!!

 

[nickb86]

if your only running the cycle that long drop the EQ doesnt kick in til wk 10 buddy and it will gain you very little tbh. not worth it
its your 1st cycle and i strongly advice you to keep it simple-this means you will allow your body to react to each compound and if theres any probs youll know what caused it, you wont if got 3 or more things going thro your blood.
Dont start cycle til your 100% ready and fit, and the eq will not stop you from getting injured or magically heal you up it may help but id healup and then begin.
your post cycle therapy (pct) is way off and you need to start it 2 weeks after the last test pin, also id stop the eq 2 weeks b4 the last test pin not 1 so wk 11 in your plan.
I honestly feel youll gain far better and recover alot better also off what i suggeted earlier than what you have now decided to run.

 

[cibic]

if your only running the cycle that long drop the EQ doesnt kick in til wk 10 buddy and it will gain you very little tbh. not worth it
its your 1st cycle and i strongly advice you to keep it simple-this means you will allow your body to react to each compound and if theres any probs youll know what caused it, you wont if got 3 or more things going thro your blood.
Dont start cycle til your 100% ready and fit, and the eq will not stop you from getting injured or magically heal you up it may help but id healup and then begin.
your pct is way off and you need to start it 2 weeks after the last test pin, also id stop the eq 2 weeks b4 the last test pin not 1 so wk 11 in your plan.

Judging for EQ's ester it should start to kick in by week 4-6 week; by asking around from where I will be getting it, and people who were doing a very similar cycle confirmed the above statement. I need to increase my appetite and help with tendon injuries some how (sleep I know, i'll work on that). I guess I can replace it with deca if you think it's best.

I would argue with keeping it simple, everyone says first cycle's the best. I would risk mixing things rather than being conservative if I'm being honest.

1-13 Testosterone enanthate - 400 pw (2 weeks before PCT)
1-12 Equipoise (Boldenone) - 300mg pw (need to leave 3 weeks before PCT)
1-4 Danabol DS / Anabol - 40mg pd
7-13 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - 1000ius pw
2-13 aromasin - 12.5mg eod

1-20 1000mg Milk thistle


14-15 off


PCT
16-19 nolva( 40/20/20/20) + clomid (50/25/25/25)
16-28 Creatine Monohydrate - Kre-Alkalyn
16-20 Tribulus Terrestris Pro

your pct is way off and you need to start it 2 weeks after the last test pin, also id stop the eq 2 weeks b4 the last test pin not 1 so wk 11 in your plan.

fixed the time off and post cycle therapy (pct). Why would I need to stop EQ 2 weeks before test e? All I found when combining the 2 was to do test e one more week and then do PCT due to their half-lives.

I honestly feel youll gain far better and recover alot better also off what i suggeted earlier than what you have now decided to run.

All I did is add EQ (and adjust test dosage) and ditch forma, on the rest I pretty much have a replacement?