my second cycle test only

[Siamakdieded]

Hey all my previous cycle was

- Week 1 to 7: testosterone prop @ 100mg EOD
- Week 1 to 7: hcg @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total) Start a day before first pin
- Week 1 to 7: Amorasin @ 6.25 each day (From day 2 up until end of pct)
- finasteride 1.25mg each day

age: 24 soon
going to wait around 8 weeks after pct to start my new cycle

Pct 3 days after last pin
clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

my starting weight was 152, at the end i went to 172 at 5'7 but dropping weight possibly due to water (3 pounds in 3 days). I kept gaining in my last week of cycle, all of a sudden i am dropping now with same diet.

My sex drive is there, morning wood etc 4 days after last inject. I want to do
- Week 1 to 7: Testosterone prop @ 175mg EOD
- Week 1 to 7: hCG @ not sure need help
- Week 1 to 7: Amorasin @ 6.25 each day (From day 2 up until end of PCT)
- finasteride 1.25mg each day

PCT
not sure need help

Thanks

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Both PCT and your HCG protocols can remain the same. Why are you running fina tho? Prone to hairloss?

I would wait a bit longer before beginning next cycle... Time on + PCT time = time off.

 

[tbonexl]

Ai shouldn't be used during pct.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Ai shouldn't be used during pct.

Whoops! Good catch bro, I missed that..

 

[tbonexl]

Whoops! Good catch bro, I missed that..

It's early Monday morning... You'll have that lol

 

[tbonexl]

Whoops! Good catch bro, I missed that..

It's early Monday morning... You'll have that lol

 

[Siamakdieded]

Ai shouldn't be used during pct.

Yeh sorry this was my old cycle log, my new one is on a different comp. I stopped ai after my last inject.

Regarding fina, yes i am prone to hair loss sadly.

 

[Siamakdieded]

Both PCT and your HCG protocols can remain the same. Why are you running fina tho? Prone to hairloss?

I would wait a bit longer before beginning next cycle... Time on + PCT time = time off.

I am waiting time on + pct = i am doing pct + 8 weeks (this was a weak cycle, apparently in some studies ######### , weak well planned cycles up to 8 weeks, require 2 weeks to recover after pct, i am just going to follow time on +pct for extra healing)/ My next cycle however will be a long time off, maybe 12 weeks + pct for 7 week cycle. I will eat like a beast and spend my time training naturally to recomp.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I am waiting time on + pct = i am doing pct + 8 weeks (this was a weak cycle, apparently in some studies ############, weak well planned cycles up to 8 weeks, require 2 weeks to recover after pct, i am just going to follow time on +pct for extra healing)/ My next cycle however will be a long time off, maybe 12 weeks + pct for 7 week cycle. I will eat like a beast and spend my time training naturally to recomp.

Following that rule you should be waiting ideally 12 weeks AFTER pct has ended. You only get one body man, always best to be safe. Shame about the hairloss tho, did fina help much? You should give Rogaine (Minoxidil) a run - it worked wonders for me. Good plan.

 

[Siamakdieded]

Following that rule you should be waiting ideally 12 weeks AFTER pct has ended. You only get one body man, always best to be safe. Shame about the hairloss tho, did fina help much? You should give Rogaine (Minoxidil) a run - it worked wonders for me. Good plan.

Oh really? I misunderstood the pct + time off protocol. My bad, i thought you never include the pct time

Good to know, i guess i got a longer wait than i thought before

Rogaine i am unsure about, my hair is growing good (changed my diet and hair care regime).

 

[Onk]

Following that rule you should be waiting ideally 12 weeks AFTER pct has ended. You only get one body man, always best to be safe. Shame about the hairloss tho, did fina help much? You should give Rogaine (Minoxidil) a run - it worked wonders for me. Good plan.

don't you feel a bit weird for giving cycle advice to a 23 year old? I know he's already done 1 cycle and he'll probably do another without our help....but surely you feel a bit weird?
Strange how hairloss effects 23 year olds...betting it's more stress than that 1% of people that go bald before 25.

 

[Megatron28]

You should not run another cycle until you are 25 years old. You have been hanging out here long enough to know you are too young for AAS.

Where did that AI dosage put your E2? Odds are that a 75% increase in your test dosage would require an increase in your AI dosage. What did your TT get up to on your first cycle?

 

[Megatron28]

Siam, another question for you. Why only 31 posts in two years? It is one thing to make a post to ask for help but why aren't you returning the favor and helping other guys on the forum? I would like to encourage you to share your experience and knowledge here. Pay it forward.

 

[Siamakdieded]

Siam, another question for you. Why only 31 posts in two years? It is one thing to make a post to ask for help but why aren't you returning the favor and helping other guys on the forum? I would like to encourage you to share your experience and knowledge here. Pay it forward.

I only just finished my cycle 4 days ago. I hardly know much, and yeh my ai dose is an estimate i was planning to start at that then change it accordingly. I learnt that diet is the key,. About the 23 age thing, 25 or 23 is debatable, but i am very precautions about my cycles, this is going to be my future cycle, maybe once or twice a year. I am not going to push my body to the limits which maybe is more dangerous than starting at maybe a young age as 23. As long as i am safe, i see no harm.

No disrespect to people who say test e is the way to go, but i did prop for my first cycle and had no problems. People saying you hardly know how to inject, so test e is best for beginners have no understanding that the best way to get better is to....... practice, so be it your 3rd cycle to start test prop, unless you practiced you will still be crap. I saved myself some damage by ending my cycle 7 weeks, and going on pct asap, as opposed to 12 week cycle and waiting 3 weeks to clear. That is some of the ways in which i will minimise damage,

 

[Megatron28]

I only just finished my cycle 4 days ago. I hardly know much, and yeh my ai dose is an estimate i was planning to start at that then change it accordingly. I learnt that diet is the key,. About the 23 age thing, 25 or 23 is debatable, but i am very precautions about my cycles, this is going to be my future cycle, maybe once or twice a year. I am not going to push my body to the limits which maybe is more dangerous than starting at maybe a young age as 23. As long as i am safe, i see no harm.

Read the mountain of posts in the foruma by guys who messed up their HPTA's by starting AAS too young. They are full of regret. They thought they were careful too.

I look forward to seeing you contribute to the forums.

 

[3J]

it'll be interesting to see how much weight he loses in pct... that'll tell us how poor or well his nutrition was on cycle

 

[Siamakdieded]

it'll be interesting to see how much weight he loses in pct... that'll tell us how poor or well his nutrition was on cycle

3 pounds so far in 3 days, apparently i look better now according to my bro (who is really critical). My face looks more defined so the water is dropping. My diet at first was 2600 calories, i'm on now 4700 calories, people hardly can tell i got fatter, yet i gained 20 pounds in 6.5 weeks. I am pleased with my results, and will take a long break to fully recover. My plan is to do this new cycle, eat like a beast and spend some time training naturally to recomp (basically let my body heal).

 

[PrinceDianabol]

don't you feel a bit weird for giving cycle advice to a 23 year old? I know he's already done 1 cycle and he'll probably do another without our help....but surely you feel a bit weird?
Strange how hairloss effects 23 year olds...betting it's more stress than that 1% of people that go bald before 25.

Oh shit, I missed that. Thats what you get for staying up late I guess. Your definetely right though.. And he is gonna do it regardless. I was dumb enough to cycle young (before I came to Ology) and it only took one cycle to fuck my HPTA. I'm on clomid now, possibly permanently, just to have decent natty T back. Thats what you get for cycling young... And OP don't think "it'll never happen to me, I'm careful" or whatever... Doesn't matter how well you do things, once you shutdown a fragile HPTA your taking a huge risk.

 

[Hypnotix]

I can understand the seriousness of using AAS, but in regards to being 23.. I haven't read many stickies that recommend being 25 in particular, in fact this is from 3J'S BEGINNERS GUIDE TO STEROIDS AND NUTRITION. Stating just to stay outside of 23 essentially. With great reason of course... so what's really the difference between 24 and 25?

I want to note that this is a serious question, and that I'm completely agreeing with everything else being said here thus far.

I have a first cycle planned, and to begin around my 24th birthday (Mid November). I'm under 3J's guidance, and he hasn't commented against me doing it in particular, and I especially don't recall him mentioning that my age is an issue.

AGE

The first and most important requirement of running a cycle is your age. Through my years as a nutritionist I have seen some very athletic young men with ages ranging from 18-23 who look more ready for a cycle then most who are at the proper age. Regardless, someone who is young has a very high natural testosterone level of 800-1000ng/dl. Getting to the root of the issue, there are two major reasons why running a cycle at a young age is unacceptable and risky. Running a cycle at that young of an age will only risk the recovery of those high levels of testosterone, even if the user runs a perfect post cycle therapy (pct) (we will discuss that later) one could end up with subpar levels of natural testosterone for life after the fact . Secondly, between the ages of 18 and 23 one still has room to grow in height. When a surge of testosterone runs through the body at a supra-physiological dose your growth plates fuse and you're at the tallest you will ever be.

 

[Megatron28]

I can understand the seriousness of using AAS, but in regards to being 23.. I haven't read many stickies that recommend being 25 in particular, in fact this is from 3J'S BEGINNERS GUIDE TO STEROIDS AND NUTRITION. Stating just to stay outside of 23 essentially. With great reason of course... so what's really the difference between 24 and 25?

I want to note that this is a serious question, and that I'm completely agreeing with everything else being said here thus far.

I have a first cycle planned, and to begin around my 24th birthday (Mid November). I'm under 3J's guidance, and he hasn't commented against me doing it in particular, and I especially don't recall him mentioning that my age is an issue.

AGE

The first and most important requirement of running a cycle is your age. Through my years as a nutritionist I have seen some very athletic young men with ages ranging from 18-23 who look more ready for a cycle then most who are at the proper age. Regardless, someone who is young has a very high natural testosterone level of 800-1000ng/dl. Getting to the root of the issue, there are two major reasons why running a cycle at a young age is unacceptable and risky. Running a cycle at that young of an age will only risk the recovery of those high levels of testosterone, even if the user runs a perfect post cycle therapy (pct) (we will discuss that later) one could end up with subpar levels of natural testosterone for life after the fact . Secondly, between the ages of 18 and 23 one still has room to grow in height. When a surge of testosterone runs through the body at a supra-physiological dose your growth plates fuse and you're at the tallest you will ever be.

Your brain / endocrine system are still developing. On average, this process is essentially completed at age 25. Running AAS during this development stage can be damaging. Similarly, would you recommend AAS to someone still going through puberty?