My "wussy" first cycle

[spacehog]

I started my first cycle about a week ago. I am taking 1ml(50mg) of Winstrol (winny) every two days and 2ml(200mg) Primo a week. I have never taken any kind of steroid before so Ifigured I would start out weak. I will see what happens with it and next time I cycle I will try something a little more potent. I just worry about the side effects, so I am going to have to do alot more studying.

I must say though with in the first week i can see noticable results. With no side effects to speak of. I will update next week to see how things are going.

I quess I should mention that I am 32 6'5" and 274 before I started the cycle.

 

[g1234]

how long will u run this cycle?

many ppl will disagree on this board but IMO primo is an excellent alternative choice to test as a first cycle.. i've been very happy with my first cycle, primo only 200mg/5 days

You wont experience any sides from the primo, but winstrol may bring some sides.. and wont bring much muscle. I personally would not do the winstrol but inject primo every 5 days instead.

 

[Gorgorbey]

how long will u run this cycle?

many ppl will disagree on this board but IMO primo is an excellent alternative choice to test as a first cycle.. i've been very happy with my first cycle, primo only 200mg/5 days

You wont experience any sides from the primo, but winstrol may bring some sides.. and wont bring much muscle. I personally would not do the winstrol but inject primo every 5 days instead.

i agree but every 3 days is better garanty for result with primo.
is the first cycle i've made, and i kept the gain for 3 years without AAS.

178cm 88 to 90 kilogramme it depend... Primo is the best!!!!

 

[mark444]

I started my first cycle about a week ago. I am taking 1ml(50mg) of Winstrol (winny) every two days and 2ml(200mg) Primo a week. I have never taken any kind of steroid before so Ifigured I would start out weak. I will see what happens with it and next time I cycle I will try something a little more potent. I just worry about the side effects, so I am going to have to do alot more studying.

I must say though with in the first week i can see noticable results. With no side effects to speak of. I will update next week to see how things are going.

I quess I should mention that I am 32 6'5" and 274 before I started the cycle.

you need more gear.

winny at 50 mg/eod??? needs to be double. 50 mg/ed

primo should also be doubled. 200mg/wk very low.

at the doses you are talking about you will acheive shuting down your natural test, and thats about it. the whole point of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is to put your hormone levels in a higher range than otherwise possible.

also your compounds are strange choices. primo is injected once or twice a week, while Winstrol (winny) needs to be inject at least EOD.
in addition it takes about 4 weeks to get stable blood levels of such compounds, certainly you aren't planning on running Winstrol (winny) for 10-12 weeks??? that would be murder on your HDL.

 

[spacehog]

Let me clarify about my cycle

I guess I didn't really explain why I called it my "wussy" first cycle. The only reason why i called it my "wussy" first cycle is because, the person i bought my stuff from called it a "wussy" cycle. I don't know if its because he is huge or that he does alot stronger cycles. I have to say though, I am liking the results that I can see early on in my 5 week cycle.

 

[mark444]

I am liking the results that I can see early on in my 5 week cycle.

wait. you're running primo for only 5 weeks???

 

[g1234]

i have been very happy with the results i got with primo 200mg during 6 weeks.
Its all about your goals.

 

[mark444]

i have been very happy with the results i got with primo 200mg during 6 weeks.
Its all about your goals.

i agree, goals are important to have. but putting together a cycle to meet those goals is obviously the first step.
i followed your cycle very closely and IMO at 5'11" 176 lbs the gains you made were partly psychological, partly improved training/dieting because you were cycling, partly natural first cycle response.

you have to recognize that primo depot is methenolone with an enanthate ester. therefore the first 4 weeks are spend reaching stable blood concentrations, while also incurring a couple weeks downtime associated with esters on the back end.

this is a compound made to run 10-12 weeks and higher than 200 mg.

you dont see people getting on here saying im going to run test enanthate for 5-6 weeks for my first cycle do you???

 

[spacehog]

these are all good things to know, I have read alot of articles before buy what i did and they all said 200-300 a week for primo was more than ample and 50 of eod was just enough, thats why I made these choices, however if you are all in agreement that this is not enough I will up the dosage to make sure I am getting the proper amount.

Are you all in agreement that I should up my dosage to 300+ a week for primo an 50 ed for whinny?

 

[mark444]

these are all good things to know, I have read alot of articles before buy what i did and they all said 200-300 a week for primo was more than ample and 50 of eod was just enough, thats why I made these choices, however if you are all in agreement that this is not enough I will up the dosage to make sure I am getting the proper amount.

Are you all in agreement that I should up my dosage to 300+ a week for primo an 50 ed for whinny?

i error on the side of conservativism. so i completely understand your stance to take low dose for a first cycle.
However, IF i were going to run a cycle with the compunds you have it would look like this:

Week 1-10 -- Primo 300-400 mg/wk
Week 6-11 -- Winstrol 50 mg/day

running the winstrol 2 weeks after the last injection of Primo will allow for elevated hormone levels while the Primo is released from the enanthate ester leading up to PCT.

proper lifting, cardio, correct diet with calorie deficit would make a nice cutting/hardening cycle.

AGAIN this is only if i chose these compounds. i dont see much need for Winstrol (winny) unless you are competing because of its effects on HDL. Test is best for first cycle IMO. Dont mean to be all bad news, just my .02

 

[g1234]

i agree with mark about winstrol, i dont think you need it.

now about the cycle duration, i am in favor of short cycles, but the arguments of mark are true: with a 6 week cycle of primo, u'll feel it starting week 3-4 and until week 7. It is a short kick. Is it bad? no, it is short. Its all about what you want.. how confident you are over your body's reaction to gear, self-pinning etc. Some ppl will run their first cycle during 12 weeks, others will think a small 6 weeks is good.

now honestly, I would do 300mg/w during 8 weeks if i had to start again.

 

[cobrajetjoe]

Run your cycle and post your results, more is not necessarily better. Especially for a first cycle.

 

[mark444]

Run your cycle and post your results, more is not necessarily better. Especially for a first cycle.

Look. I don't want to get fired up because this is spacehogs cycle thread not the main forum, but i must say this really bothers me.

i put forth a well articulated, logical post explaining the benifits/reasoning for extending the duration of the cycle and possibly increasing the dosages. This was in effort to give some good advice while the cycle was in early enough stages to alter.

Why do people come in here and shoot it down without offering some sort of counter arguement or any justification at all????
cobrajetjoe, be responsible, back up that point of view. otherwise spacehog is going to be totally confused flipping a coin to decide the right course of action.

Apologies for taking up your cycle thread. Please keep us posted in what you decide and how it works out for you. Good luck

 

[rocko419]

you need more gear.

winny at 50 mg/eod??? needs to be double. 50 mg/ed

primo should also be doubled. 200mg/wk very low.

at the doses you are talking about you will acheive shuting down your natural test, and thats about it. the whole point of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is to put your hormone levels in a higher range than otherwise possible.

also your compounds are strange choices. primo is injected once or twice a week, while Winstrol (winny) needs to be inject at least EOD.
in addition it takes about 4 weeks to get stable blood levels of such compounds, certainly you aren't planning on running Winstrol (winny) for 10-12 weeks??? that would be murder on your HDL.

Mark444 I like the advice thatyou give bro. And I dell agree as well with

winny at 50 mg/eod??? needs to be double. 50 mg/ed

primo should also be doubled. 200mg/wk very low.

 

[WESTCOTT8483]

I would agree, running Winstrol (winny) for any extended period of time would not be good. I would drop the Winstrol (winny) and go with 25/d of Dbol.