Narrow dogmatic thinking and restricted gains

iron addict

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Narrow dogmatic thinking and restricted gains

I was on a board recently and a trainee was asking how they could get their bench press moving again. He complained that he was strong in the bottom of the lift, but half way, or a little further up he ran out of steam. A board member suggested some board presses or chain/band work, which was a WONDERFUL suggestion.

But out came one of the board moderators (which by the way is a pretty bright guy) and slammed the idea. He said it was useless as “he had never seen anyone do that and since no one did, it was worthless”. The original poster that brought up the board/chain work idea cited references as to how it had helped his training, and how popular this work was with advanced strength athletes. Mr Super Moderator would have none of that “outside the box thinking” on his watch and brutally slammed the guy stating that “full range of movement is needed for complete development” and bands and chains are “gimmicks”.

Unless the stuck lifter addresses his weak points his bench will languish as will his enthusiasm. Most lifters opt out of things that could help their training most because they do the “popular” lifts, the “popular” way. And after their body quickly adapts to the same old same old, they are in the “popular rut” most lifters are in.

Get “outside the box” with your thought process on analyzing and adapting your lifting to what YOUR body needs when it needs it. As you progress new weak points will develop and must be addressed if you are to succeed. I often write programs and have the trainee tell me that they have never done half the lifts on it. Why? They do the same thing EVERYONE else does, the same way with minute variations week to week and their progress is usually minute also until they break free of the dogma that has held them stunted

Iron Addict
 
I'm in 100% agreement IA.


I'm making the best/fastest strength gains of my life from similar 'outside-the-box' concepts.

Great post!
 
if it weren't for bands, chains and board presses, i would have given up on making any bench progress a long time ago...
great post!
~MINX
 
great post. i think we should through that moderator into a room with the westide barbell guys and then ask what he thinks of chains and bands.

i have NO problem with traditional bodybuilders, and i've started incorporating some bodybuilding elements into my training since finishing my football career recently. but i still can only shake my head when my buddy talks about how his chest won't grow, and he never attempts to get STRONGER and lift MORE weight. once a week, he gets under the smith press, does a bunch of slow, deliberate reps, then moves on to the cables, etc. etc. frankly, there are a LOT of average bodybuilders in the gym who would get a lot out of just getting under a heavy freakin' barbell once in awhile.
 
I train 70+ lifters at a time, most of them aspiring BB'ers and 7 out of 10 of the questionnaires I receive from new clients state that they don't care about strength, they just want to get bigger.

BLOWS ME AWAY EVERY TIME! How do they expect that to occur???

IA
 
iron addict said:
I train 70+ lifters at a time, most of them aspiring BB'ers and 7 out of 10 of the questionnaires I receive from new clients state that they don't care about strength, they just want to get bigger.

BLOWS ME AWAY EVERY TIME! How do they expect that to occur???
Synthol?
 
mranak said:
lots of test works too :) ,most people I know don't care about strength. They either go on about its just tendons or it comes naturally. I've found a mixture to work best BB and strength training
 
I agree with the chain, bands, and board work. I have been exposed to the chain concept at a gym in Denver, Co. called Black Iron Gym. It was originally a leather daddy gym (thats a whole different forum and thread). These guys were massive with impressive bench weights. Their favorite was the chains on the bar. I used band work with my dbell curls and shocked my biceps to the point they put on some size and peak rather fast. Great concepts in my opinion.
 
Good post IA. But this is the problem that I have. If I brought in some boards and asked someone to put one on my chest who had no idea what I was doing, they probably wouldn't want to do it and I would be left feeling a little embarrassed. I doubt that anyone in my gym knows what board presses are. I really wish there were boards, bands and powerlifters in my gym. If anyone knows of a gym like that in the Miami area please let me know.
 
Use a mini band to hold the board. You can also use the safety pins in the power-rack to set the ROM but the weight transfer is different with boards.

IA
 
iron addict said:
Use a mini band to hold the board. You can also use the safety pins in the power-rack to set the ROM but the weight transfer is different with boards.

IA

Do you know where I can get those bands? Are there instructions for making your own boards anywhere or general advice about aquiring powerlifting equipment and using it by yourself?
 
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