Need a lil help. 1st time injectables.
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tommy39
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I too see it pointless to freeze a pin unless you remove the drawing needle and get the frozen fresh pin out and inject before it warms which would be about one minute. Stupid. Besides its usually thustue gear or way you inject that hurts. Sustanon hurts alot of people. Dont you have a book for that too.
Sustanon hurts period. No matter how smooth and easy the injection is, the shit hurts. Gotta pay to play.
And the only other dumb thing Ive read here is 250/week? Thats weak and IMO a waste of time. I would say setup your injections every 3 days at least with sust. I currently and doing mon/wed/fri. 750/week. I dont think you are going to get the results you THINK you are going to get with 250mg a week. Sustanon (sust) doesnt work like that, unless you live on a cattle farm and are eating a cow everyday.
And the only other dumb thing Ive read here is 250/week? Thats weak and IMO a waste of time. I would say setup your injections every 3 days at least with sust. I currently and doing mon/wed/fri. 750/week. I dont think you are going to get the results you THINK you are going to get with 250mg a week. Sustanon (sust) doesnt work like that, unless you live on a cattle farm and are eating a cow everyday.
ThinkBigGetBig
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Technically the dosage for sus is 250 every 10 days.... so 750 a week seems alot. I figure once a week, say a friday i would take it. Plus doing in more than once a week, my ass would be killin!!! After one injection, it was very noticeable that i was walkin real funny, and people even asked me. I just told them i worked on legs and was really sore....they wouldnt know the difference.
ThinkBigGetBig
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Naw, docs use amp openers. I've been lookin to pick one up soon. But not a priority right now. (I spell that wrong....pri-or-ity?)
slicli
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250 a week is a very light first cycle. My first cycle was 300/week cyp and I had some great gains. Cyp is so friggin smooth, totally painless...
Also ThinkBig, the cycle is the super duper easy fun part...i hope you have some kick ass post cycle planned or you could end up 10lbs down from your start with a floppy pecker.
Also ThinkBig, the cycle is the super duper easy fun part...i hope you have some kick ass post cycle planned or you could end up 10lbs down from your start with a floppy pecker.
ThinkBigGetBig
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WHat do you mean...kick ass post cycle? Why couldnt i just take the 250 every 7 days for 12 weeks? then cycle off for 4 then start up again. and why would i be 10lbs lighter with a floppy pecker lol? plz tell me sus doesnt fuck up my meat and two veg alot!!??
GymLift
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If I understand you correctly, that is a very bad idea.ThinkBigGetBig said:
We have this thing that we refer to as time on = time off. Time on starts on day 1 of your cycle and ends on the last day of post cycle therapy (pct). So for a 12 week cycle of sustanon, time on would be roughly 18 weeks, because:
Week 1-12: 250mg of sustanon/week
Week 13-14: Delay prior to post cycle therapy (pct).
Week 15-18: post cycle therapy (pct).
So, time on lasts about 18 weeks. That means that time off needs to be at least 18 weeks.
And yes, post cycle therapy (pct) is critical both to keep your gains and recover your HPTA.
GymLift
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ThinkBigGetBig: What are your stats, anyway? Age, weight, bf%, height, years lifting, goals, ...
And I strongly recommend that you at least do the sustanon shots twice/week. Don't simply use the glutes for injection. The vastus lateralis (thighs) and also a good, easy place to hit.
And I strongly recommend that you at least do the sustanon shots twice/week. Don't simply use the glutes for injection. The vastus lateralis (thighs) and also a good, easy place to hit.
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slicli
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bro, you should have done some serious research before starting this...my guess is that you don't know anything about cycle diets either.
In a nutshell when you poke yourself with aa/as, your nuts shutdown and depending on age, shrival up. Then 2 weeks after you come off your test levels will go from ~1400 to 14, then your dingdong wont work, you'll get depressed, quit working out lose the 2.5lbs of muscle and 20lbs of water you gained, then another 10 lbs of muscle and then kill yourself.
There is soooooo much more to this then pins and oil. PLEASE for all of our sakes READ THE $(%*ing STICKY threads STUDY the sticky's, then use the search button...if you have started your cycle you have a lot to learn
In a nutshell when you poke yourself with aa/as, your nuts shutdown and depending on age, shrival up. Then 2 weeks after you come off your test levels will go from ~1400 to 14, then your dingdong wont work, you'll get depressed, quit working out lose the 2.5lbs of muscle and 20lbs of water you gained, then another 10 lbs of muscle and then kill yourself.
There is soooooo much more to this then pins and oil. PLEASE for all of our sakes READ THE $(%*ing STICKY threads STUDY the sticky's, then use the search button...if you have started your cycle you have a lot to learn
ThinkBigGetBig- Do MUCH MORE research on Sust. 250. 250/mg a week is not going to show the gains you think it will. I would reccomend at LEAST doing 500/mg a week. As for your ass hurting...Suck it up. Its gonna hurt so let it hurt, feed off the pain and let it make your workout better.
All in all it just sounds like you have alot of learning and research to do. But hey we all have to start somewhere...
-Matt
All in all it just sounds like you have alot of learning and research to do. But hey we all have to start somewhere...
-Matt
ThinkBigGetBig
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Naw i appreciate all ur guys help because i am a rookie. SO do you think that maybe i would just be better off taking 200mg of cypionate every 4-5 days instead. this was one of my first options but i really dont wanna put on ALL that much fat because i think it would. by the way....im 5'9 195lbs and have about 10-15% bf. I hear cypionate guarentees gains, however my only fear of this is because its a high androgenic roid. So i dont want hella pimples and all the other crap. Hell i dont know, what do you guys think. your advice is really helping me. thanks.
Johny J
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ThinkBigGetBig said:
you arent listening, and yo havent done enough reading.
Cyp a high androgenic roid? what doy u think Sustanon (sust) is? They are both testosterone.
and let me state this for the 1k time, cause you still dont get it i see.
500mg of test per week!!!!
slicli
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thinkbig...i know it may seem like everyone is being really hard on you, thats because WE ARE. Seriously, there is a lot at stake here, you have done a really good thing by posting here and being honest, the tough part is that AA/AS have a HORRIABLE name in this world....a horriable skizo name. AA/AS are of the DEVIL himself but at the same time the are the MILK OF GOD for 40 year olds and over that goto their doc and cry, my pee pee isnt working, im depressed, i cant focus, everything is grey...can i have some TESTOSTERONE and the doc says SURE!
If you are going to be a part of this ORDER, KNOW YOUR SHIT or you will just be another prime time special on the evils of AA/AS...and you should start by LISTENING to bro's here. As many have said, you DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH yet, all of the information is on this forum just search.
Syst is a testosterone blend and test is test is test is test. The only difference behind the names is the durration they last in your system. Cyp and Enanth have VERY long esther's attached to them so that a shot will peak in about 48 hrs and taper very slowly for the next 3 weeks. This is great for a base but hard to regulate side's. On the other end of the spectrum theres Prop, it peaks within moments of the shot and is gone in a copule days, makes it easy to regulate sides but is a lot of stickin.
You need to research sides...if you say your 10 -15% your prolly 15 - 20%, the prob with that is simple....the aromitse enzyme has a GREAT relationship with fat...the more fat the more enzyme, that particular enzyme is responsible for converting test to estrogen and depending on your sensitivity to estro it could give you lactatting boobs in no time.
In a nutshell your first cycle should be 500mg of test a week and if you can get your hands on cyp, YOU WILL NEVER regret it. It is painless, shot your shoulders and chest with at 25g 5/8 - 1" pin. BE SURE TO HAVE adex or letro and nolva ready to go from the very beginning for side mgt...if you nips get puffy AND itchy take 40 mgs of nolva and 1mg of adex or equiv letro immediatly. Do this for 7 days then come off the nolva and just stay on the adex or letro. The nolva will block estro from binding to your nips immediatly while the adex will destroy a lot of the enzyme. If you are lucky you wont need any of this but error on the side of caution. Now for post cycle, there is a ton of thinking on this and it has changed in the last 5 years...i never come off so I havent looked at the latest, but to get you started your post cycle should start THE SECOND you detect nut shrinkage, even if its within the first 3 weeks of your cycle. You will need HCG. Take 500mcg of HCG once a week after you notice shrinkage. Then, 2 weeks after your last shot you start a 3 week taper with nolva, i dont know the dosages you will have to look that up. Along with the nolva, you will increase your HCG to something like 500mcg eod for the first week or so. The HCG brings your nuts back to testosterone production size and the nolva helps recover your HPTA (hypothalmic, pituitary, testicular axsis) which will be OUT OF WHACK and it takes a LONG time to get things right again.
You could expect with decent eating and workouts 30 lbs of total weight gain which will be ~15 - 20lbs of water which you will lose within 2 weeks of comming off and you will be lucky to keep 7 - 10 lbs of lean muscle if you do your post cycle therapy (pct) right.
BTW...how old are you?
Now i have given you the "Chapters at a Glance"...its up to you to read it.
If you are going to be a part of this ORDER, KNOW YOUR SHIT or you will just be another prime time special on the evils of AA/AS...and you should start by LISTENING to bro's here. As many have said, you DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH yet, all of the information is on this forum just search.
Syst is a testosterone blend and test is test is test is test. The only difference behind the names is the durration they last in your system. Cyp and Enanth have VERY long esther's attached to them so that a shot will peak in about 48 hrs and taper very slowly for the next 3 weeks. This is great for a base but hard to regulate side's. On the other end of the spectrum theres Prop, it peaks within moments of the shot and is gone in a copule days, makes it easy to regulate sides but is a lot of stickin.
You need to research sides...if you say your 10 -15% your prolly 15 - 20%, the prob with that is simple....the aromitse enzyme has a GREAT relationship with fat...the more fat the more enzyme, that particular enzyme is responsible for converting test to estrogen and depending on your sensitivity to estro it could give you lactatting boobs in no time.
In a nutshell your first cycle should be 500mg of test a week and if you can get your hands on cyp, YOU WILL NEVER regret it. It is painless, shot your shoulders and chest with at 25g 5/8 - 1" pin. BE SURE TO HAVE adex or letro and nolva ready to go from the very beginning for side mgt...if you nips get puffy AND itchy take 40 mgs of nolva and 1mg of adex or equiv letro immediatly. Do this for 7 days then come off the nolva and just stay on the adex or letro. The nolva will block estro from binding to your nips immediatly while the adex will destroy a lot of the enzyme. If you are lucky you wont need any of this but error on the side of caution. Now for post cycle, there is a ton of thinking on this and it has changed in the last 5 years...i never come off so I havent looked at the latest, but to get you started your post cycle should start THE SECOND you detect nut shrinkage, even if its within the first 3 weeks of your cycle. You will need HCG. Take 500mcg of HCG once a week after you notice shrinkage. Then, 2 weeks after your last shot you start a 3 week taper with nolva, i dont know the dosages you will have to look that up. Along with the nolva, you will increase your HCG to something like 500mcg eod for the first week or so. The HCG brings your nuts back to testosterone production size and the nolva helps recover your HPTA (hypothalmic, pituitary, testicular axsis) which will be OUT OF WHACK and it takes a LONG time to get things right again.
You could expect with decent eating and workouts 30 lbs of total weight gain which will be ~15 - 20lbs of water which you will lose within 2 weeks of comming off and you will be lucky to keep 7 - 10 lbs of lean muscle if you do your post cycle therapy (pct) right.
BTW...how old are you?
Now i have given you the "Chapters at a Glance"...its up to you to read it.
