Need advice: 8 vs 10 weeks for Deca

[DDTexas]

About to start my first cycle, have read extensively through the prior threads (thanks for the great information) and have a few questions. I'm 33, 6'6, 230lbs, 15% BF. I cut down from 250lbs due to a cardio focus (profession required). For the last year been heavy lifting again, gained a solid base back, looking to put on 20-25lbs of mass.

My proposed cycle:

Weeks 1-10: 500mg Test Enath
Weeks 1-8: 375mg Deca
Weeks 1-4: 40mg Turan per day
Weeks 1-13: 0.5mg Anastrozole per day

PCT Nolva/Clomid for 4x weeks starting 2x weeks after my last pin.

I've read you should run Deca 2 weeks shorter than Test E. But I've also read Deca doesn't kick in until week 8. I could run it at a lower dose (250 a week) for 10 week but then it's not two weeks less than my Test E as I've only got 10 weeks worth.

Thoughts? I'm leaning towards the 8 week dose at 375.

Thanks for the input.

 

[2rude4u]

About to start my first cycle, have read extensively through the prior threads (thanks for the great information) and have a few questions. I'm 33, 6'6, 230lbs, 15% BF. I cut down from 250lbs due to a cardio focus (profession required). For the last year been heavy lifting again, gained a solid base back, looking to put on 20-25lbs of mass.

My proposed cycle:

Weeks 1-10: 500mg Test Enath
Weeks 1-8: 375mg Deca
Weeks 1-4: 40mg Turan per day
Weeks 1-13: 0.5mg Anastrozole per day

PCT Nolva/Clomid for 4x weeks starting 2x weeks after my last pin.

I've read you should run Deca 2 weeks shorter than Test E. But I've also read Deca doesn't kick in until week 8. I could run it at a lower dose (250 a week) for 10 week but then it's not two weeks less than my Test E as I've only got 10 weeks worth.

Thoughts? I'm leaning towards the 8 week dose at 375.

Thanks for the input.

Too short on the Deca and too much on the Adex.

Personally, if it were my first cycle I would run test for 12 weeks and deca for 10 minimum. You're also being a little heavy handed on the Adex. It has a 48 hr half-life and you will probably crush your estro @ .5mg ed. I do fine at .5 eod @ 500mg test.

You will also want to pickup some prami. Most guys will say don't worry the dose is too low, but I have been reading up extensively on the subject and you will benefit from the prami, especially running deca.

 

[comrade00]

Decca for 8 weeks is a waste of your money

 

[shenky]

If you're hellbent on 8 weeks, You're better off with NPP, deca's best bro. It's the same drug with a shorter ester.

 

[smittiot]

Buy another vial of deca & test. Run 12/14.
I'm in middle of week 10 on deca and would be pissed if I had pulled the plug at 8 or 10 weeks.
Also, would not (did not) run deca on my first cycle.

 

[Magical]

I thought deca was supposed to be run for 16 weeks for best results and shit

 

[Pinkbear]

I ran sust600/ deca 500 first cycle. Deca didn't kick in til week 5-6. Run it longer, I felt if I could of done 12 weeks instead of 10 I would have put on another 5-10 lbs

 

[DDTexas]

Thanks for all the replies. Going to run the Deca for 10 weeks at 250 and the adex EOD. Wish I could run the Test and Deca longer but not able to get more right now.

 

[MustangDX]

Thanks for all the replies. Going to run the Deca for 10 weeks at 250 and the adex EOD. Wish I could run the Test and Deca longer but not able to get more right now.

Why rush your cycle when you don't have everything you need? Save up money or make some friends on this site till you get everything you need. You should run the Test @600mgs/week for 14 weeks and the Deca @400mgs/week for 12 weeks.

Anastrozole @0.5mgs/EOD is perfect, you should also look into picking up some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for "ON" cycle.

Prami will also be a great addition @0.25mgs/ED. Prolactin sides can be nasty.

 

[DDTexas]

Mustang,

Thanks for the input. Not a money issue, can't go into it, but due to my location can't receive any more than I have. Since it's my first cycle I wanted a shorter run anyways, plus I'm already raising eyebrows with my natural gains, been laying the ground work with "about to start creatine." Hope everyone buys it. Did my first pin yesterday-quad. No pain, stretched the skin and slowly pushed it in, the needle did all the work. 25g 1.5" Was a little shaky inside, took my time with the oil. A little sore today, but hey, I did inject so that's to be expected. Plus all the shakiness probably wasn't good for the muscle but my brain kept saying "holy shit you're injecting yourself." Very surreal. Looking forward to the "on" feeling.

 

[liftingwhey8]

Is pram I easier to get than caber? I though caber was the way to go?

 

[DDTexas]

Caber and Pram can both be obtained legally from Ancillary and Peptide companies for "research purposes only." A lot of guys say Pram knocks you out and makes you puke, plus it's harder to measure since I've only seen it in liquid form. Caber's the way to go IMO.

 

[Austinite]

Is pram I easier to get than caber? I though caber was the way to go?

Either one works fine. Caber is preferred as it's less frequently dosed and less side effects. However, Prami is more readily available, less faked and when used properly, should not have negative effects.

 

[2rude4u]

Caber and Pram can both be obtained legally from Ancillary and Peptide companies for "research purposes only." A lot of guys say Pram knocks you out and makes you puke, plus it's harder to measure since I've only seen it in liquid form. Caber's the way to go IMO.

Research Caber is a no go. Legit chem companies won't even sell it as they know it is ineffective in liquid form.

 

[DDTexas]

What are the symptoms that I need to up my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) intake? Bloated and tired?

What about Caber? Swollen, itchy nips?

Want to make sure I know the difference so I don't address a symptom with the wrong treatment.

Thanks

 

[Austinite]

What are the symptoms that I need to up my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) intake? Bloated and tired?

What about Caber? Swollen, itchy nips?

Want to make sure I know the difference so I don't address a symptom with the wrong treatment.

Thanks

The problem with adjusting dose based on side effects, is that most side effects are shared between too high, and too low. In other words, Both high and low could cause fatigue, lethargy, low libido or erectile dysfunction, depression, irritability etc...

Excess water retention, high blood pressure and gynecomastia are unique signs of high E2 for example. It's in your best interest to avoid guessing and commit to drawing panels for verification.

 

[Pinkbear]

First cycle I ran an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and I was tired as fuck, as soon as I sat down it was lights out. This cycle no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and I feel great.

So far only sides I get is body acne =/ it's ok nothing a lil doxycycline can't fix

 

[Austinite]

First cycle I ran an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and I was tired as fuck, as soon as I sat down it was lights out. This cycle no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and I feel great.

So far only sides I get is body acne =/ it's ok nothing a lil doxycycline can't fix

There's a lot more to running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle. You can avoid being tired/side effects by running blood work to maintain healthy serum estradiol.

 

[DDTexas]

Thanks for the posts. Unfortunately I can't get blood work-I'm currently in Atrashastan. The dbol is def working, feeling stronger, hitting new PRs, and seeing great pumps.

Def a novice question-how do I know if what I'm feeling is "bloat" from too little AI? I'm gaining weight but have to eat smaller meals more often throughout the day. Don't have the large eating capacity I did before I started the cycle. The gut is also holding water. I'm currently taking .25 EOD, thinking about upping my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to .5 EOD but I've read that can seriously shut you down.

Thoughts? Thanks for the input!

 

[smittiot]

That's very individual. I am just right at .25 eod. If you can't get bloods it's more risky, but you will have no choice but to react to symptoms on both sides before you find your range. Personally I feel better when e2 is on the high range of normal vs down near 10. Not to the point of bloat and itchy nipples though...