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If you go to ask to a doctor, she/he will say that 1000 TT is not that high and you can use rest of your life BUT it is not optimal TT. BUT it can be optimal for you.
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The vast majority of doctors have proven to be relatively ignorant regarding this subject. I go to a respected trt specialist and he keeps most patient in what he calls optimal range, being 800-1200. He also monitors all the other markers in the blood to make sure his patients health is optimal as well. Your opinion of optimal is different than others and thats ok, but its nothing more than an opinion until you back it up with some facts.
halfape211
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FT I thank you for your measured and mature reply. There is logic in what you say, from your side. And I mean this nicely, it is from a misplaced believe that doctors you may have seen, know what they are talking about. 99% don't when it comes to hormones. There are several of the very top hormone specialists in the world that have done studies showing the health benefits of being close to or at 1200TT. Not everyone wants to be at 1200. Not everyone can handle the side effects of being at 1200. But the studies stand on their own. Within the last month I posted the study results somewhere in this forum, if you are interested.
Here's what is a common theme important in this forum. We all have our opinions and unless we can back them up with science we are doing harm to those who come along later and read our posts. We are not trying to give you a hard time unless you inform others that your opinions are the facts. Perhaps that is the miscommunication problem we have had. I hope you will think about what myself and others are telling you. And I truly hope you be of assistance to those who will read your posts in the future. So..., can we get along?
And to PresTex, that was well worded. thank you
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Fuck them!
I am banned!
If you have a drug company and pay $$$$ to a doctor, she/he will tell you should use more testosteroneFT I thank you for your measured and mature reply. There is logic in what you say, from your side. And I mean this nicely, it is from a misplaced believe that doctors you may have seen, know what they are talking about. 99% don't when it comes to hormones. There are several of the very top hormone specialists in the world that have done studies showing the health benefits of being close to or at 1200TT. Not everyone wants to be at 1200. Not everyone can handle the side effects of being at 1200. But the studies stand on their own. Within the last month I posted the study results somewhere in this forum, if you are interested.
Here's what is a common theme important in this forum. We all have our opinions and unless we can back them up with science we are doing harm to those who come along later and read our posts. We are not trying to give you a hard time unless you inform others that your opinions are the facts. Perhaps that is the miscommunication problem we have had. I hope you will think about what myself and others are telling you. And I truly hope you be of assistance to those who will read your posts in the future. So..., can we get along?
If you have a drug company and pay $$$$ to a doctor, she/he will tell you should use more testosterone
That might be true in the instances like Androgel where Pharma reps push these drugs despite the fact that they are less effective and not the best means of treatment. But in the case of the testosterone the doctors do not gain anything by prescribing more test. If that was true then abuse would be much more prevalent with doctors. However, we have seen quite the opposite. Most doctors want to prescribe half the necessary dose and do not care about getting you into the optimal range. They make their money from marked up lab tests and office visits.
halfape211
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If you have a drug company and pay $$$$ to a doctor, she/he will tell you should use more testosterone
Not trying to give you a hard time, but I'm not sure why you have that opinion. 99% of the members here would tell the opposite. I guess that is the myth that you may have heard. I would have posed that as more of a question, but that's just me. I hope this helps
Mprtz
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A term such as "optimal" has little meaning without reference to the parameters that are being optimized.
Performance in a specific pursuit? Cost-benefit? Ultimate longevity? Quality of life?
Apart from that, it is silly to think that optimization for any of the above will result in the same dose for different people.
At the risk of restating the obvious: the OPTIMAL dose will vary with the individual and the individual's goals.
Performance in a specific pursuit? Cost-benefit? Ultimate longevity? Quality of life?
Apart from that, it is silly to think that optimization for any of the above will result in the same dose for different people.
At the risk of restating the obvious: the OPTIMAL dose will vary with the individual and the individual's goals.
oldmusclemike
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I've been reading this closely as I have gone back and looked at many off your posts FT. You are ignorant and I think it was Meg here that said you don't understand optimal. You can't see the forest through the trees because you just want to be right.
You seem to spew BS and uneducated comments and bogus facts when you are twisting facts to meet your opinion. Much twisted Bro-science along with very little experience from you. I have no admin power on here but my guess if you don't start educating yourself and listening more, you probably will be gone very soon, like punted like TooTuff said.
oldmusclemike
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