Need proper advice on my post cycle therapy (pct) !!!

[House Of Pain]

Need proper advice on my pct !!!

Hi this is my 1st post on this site, starting my 2nd cycle tomorrow, last one was 1 yr ago.


this email is strictly for veteran steroid cyclers...positive, educating, non-negative info would be appreciated, concerned about my PCT but have been given advice currently by someone experienced but wanted other points of view on it, gona detail my cycle and would appreciate opinion on anything you think i should change or whether to keep it as it is,

8 week cycle-

Monday + Friday
Test-E(300) 1ml + Deca(300) 1ml + Test.P(100) 2ml + 10tabs Winstrol 10mg(5 in morn) + 8hrs later(5 in evening)

Everyday repeating the Winstrol dosage until week 12 but dropping down 2 tabs from week 8 to week 12

Everyday 1 Tab Tamoxifen 20mg until week 14

Week 6 - Day 4 start Clen ...1st day 1 tab, 2nd day 2 tabs, 3rd day 3 tabs, 4th day 4 tabs continue for 2 and half weeks then stop for 1 week and half...then back on till week 14

Test.P half dosage after week 8 until week 12

HCG + Clomid??? should i take it straight after cycle ? (as in after last shot of Deca and Test.E)

 

[UserAt204]

There's a lot more issues than just post cycle therapy (pct). Use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) not nolva on cycle. Use the prop three times a week and drop it after the first Four weeks then just continue with the test e.
Most will tell you not to use nolva with deca anyway but nolva does nothing for controlling estro, it only competes for certain receptors.

The hcg should be run thru the entire cycle and blasted before you start post cycle therapy (pct).
Deca needs to be run for at least 12 weeks. 8 won't provide much results.
You need caber or prami on hand in case of prolactin sides from deca.

I hate Winstrol (winny) and clen. Are you trying to bulk or cut? Why do you need Clen.

 

[UserAt204]

And you would normally drop deca two weeks before test so you can start post cycle therapy (pct) two weeks after last test inject if not you need to wait at least three weeks for post cycle therapy (pct). You don't run hcg and serms at the same time. You blast hcg during the two week wait before starting the serm.

 

[House Of Pain]

Jesus ya serious? so what Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will i use instead of Nolva/Tamox?... Arimidex? Aromasin ?
Nolva honestly no good?

Test.P 3 times a week for 4 weeks? is that all?

So i should do 12 weeks not 8?

So what run Deca for 12 weeks...then stop the Test.E at week 10?

to be honest i want to bulk but without water retention, it happened on last cycle with just test .e and deca(8week cycle) just dont want it this time and i wanted to add in D-bol this time for added gains but knew id get the water retention so went for Winstrol at it doesnt give that problem, the clen i added in to keep it tight at the end ..i want to bulk but keep it lean aswell coming into the summer etc

You were saying i need caber or prami on hand in case of prolactin sides from deca...explain more please not aware of this..
when exactly should i run HCG and how much of it should i take if i did chang it to a 12 week cycle

if you could summarise how my cycle should look id really appreciate that alot, im all over the shop in my head now cause i thought i had it right now its changed and iv ordered stuff already but havnt collected it yet....need best advise and opinion thanks!!!!

 

[House Of Pain]

Made type error
"So what run Deca for 12 weeks...then stop the Test.E at week 10? "

Meant to say
"So what stop Deca at week 12...then keep on Test.E until week 14? "

 

[UserAt204]

Yeah test 2 weeks longer because with deca(nandrolone deconate), that ester has a longer half life than enanthate meaning it will take more time to clear and you want test in your system longer than deca. As far as prolactin, test and dbol cause gyno and bloating due to an increase in aromitized estro so you would use an AI(aromitase inhibitor) to combat that. It will decrease the amount of estro in your system. Nolva is a serm and only competes with a selective receptor which means it does not reduce the amount of estro in your body, it simply prevents it from attaching to receptors in breast tissue. With deca, you can also get gyno but not by estro. It's thru prolactin. Caber and prami are dopamine agonist and help control prolactin levels.

Not all people are prone to gyno and estro/prolactin sides. So it's ok to have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and dope agonist on hand and wait til symptoms appear or to just use them from the start at a low dose to prevent them from happening. This will also help control water retention. Water retention is mostly due to diet

So a basic layout would be:

Test e 500mg a week. 250mg Monday/thursday. Weeks 1-14
Deca 300 to 400md. Monday/Thursday. Weeks 1-12
Hcg 250iu twice a week 1-14
Hcg 500iu a day weeks 14 to 4 days before starting post cycle therapy (pct)/serms
Aromisin EOD 12.5 mg 1-20 or adex 1-18 .5mg EOD/ 18-20 .25EOD
CABER 1-12 .5 E3D(some do .25 ED)
Pct: toremifene 4 weeks 60,60,30,30
Or clomid 50,50,50,50

Nolva can be added to either of those at 40,40,20,20

I use aromisin instead of adex because it can be ran the entire cycle and through post cycle therapy (pct) and not cause an estro rebound. Works well with serms.

Read the DET OAK sticky "standard post cycle therapy (pct)" I believe that explains hcg use. Basically it prevents the testicles from being dormant the entire cycle. It will keep them full looking so no atrophy which is nice but that also helps recovery. You will recover faster because they were not dormant the entire cycle and will help maintain weight gains because it helps get your natural test get up and running quicker.

You may read that hcg can cause lydeg cell desensitization but it's a myth.

Hope I covered everything.

 

[House Of Pain]

Outstanding reply UserAT204 really needed a properly explained reply like that...VERY much appreciated, not up to date with the lettering but il figure it out...

running the Test.P should be done in there for how long also? 4 weeks? or more or?

also im gona be taking Winstrol from start also 10x10mg tabs every day... for how long should i take those also??

is this a big cycle?

 

[mouse king]

And you would normally drop deca two weeks before test so you can start pct two weeks after last test inject if not you need to wait at least three weeks for post cycle therapy (pct). You don't run hcg and serms at the same time. You blast hcg during the two week wait before starting the serm.

do not use AI....fuck me....dont you know Aromatase inhibitor (AI) inhebit gains less or more....and nolva does not really inhebit gains...if you have problem with bitch tits try proviron first....it will shift the androgen-estrogn ration ..and poor androgen-estrogen ration cause the bitch tits ..not the estrogen itself...if proviron does not help..add nolva with it....if both fail..then go to AI...not before....but remember you are fucking your gains with AI..specialy letro

 

[UserAt204]

Don't listen to this guy. Always starting some bullshit. An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) does not takeaway from gains so stop spreading this shit. If you want a bunch of water weight then go for it. Nolva does not help reduce estro and that's what we are talking about mousy.

 

[UserAt204]

Letro is bad because it will crash estro but adex and especially aromisin will not hinder gains at all. Look at all the research that's out there and I can tell you from years of experience. I'm not gonna sit and argue with mouse man in another thread. I tell you what, wait for some others to chime in and see for yourself. Also read the standard pct sticky and that will provide all the info you need. Again you don't have to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or caber but if sides occur you need to start them not proviron. Proviron and nolva do not stop estro related sides or prolactin sides.

 

[mouse king]

^^ looks like all you have injected have been vegetable oils..as too many people here seems to have negative knowledge of things........weak

 

[UserAt204]

Mouse queen is a douche bag and has been banned for a reason. He's full of shit. Thankfully we never have to listen to his bullshit again.