lol. Man, I will tell you. Out of desperation one time, I was wanting to start a cycle so bad. My needles were going to come in 2 days. I was sitting there looking at the test on my dresser. I had 2 18 gauge pins. I decide to draw out 1.5ml and then put a fresh 18g top on. I injected right in my quad. Never again. Hurt like a bitch and I bled like a stuck pig. That 18 gauge taught me patience that day. I will wait a month for slin pins before I ever think to pin myself with an 18g again. Lol.