New Cycle - member input needed

[Blkwidow_ss]

Ok let me kick this off by saying thanks for taking the time to click and read:

About me - 34 yr old male; been training for 15 years, did 2 cycles in my early 20s when I was trying to be a bodybuilder - didn't go far with that. Since then have been active and natural with the cycling of supplements like Animal's Test and such here and there for added boosts.

I'm at a point now where I feel I'm hitting that natural wall - I'm 240 lbs 13% BF and 5'10"

I'm in no way knowledgable about cycling or pct but have been reading this forum for a few months trying to learn as much as I can and really appreciate the fact it's active and the members seem to really be open to helping others... When I did the cycles in my 20s I was working with a pro builder and he monitored me and helped amazingly but as I was young and naive I didn't bother to learn just took what he told me to when he told me to:

6 week cycles - 2 ml omadren on Sunday's // 1.5 ml deca on Thursdays / 1.5 ml cyponate on Thursdays

Anyway as I said I'm hitting a wall now at 34 and not looking to compete or try again but want to bust through this plateau - talked to 2 people I know fairly well at my gym who use and asked for a suggestion on a cycle I wanted some feedback though from the community here on what was recommended to me:

Person 1)
Testoviron test enanthane (never seen it called such here so could have wrong name)
Areamasin
For 10 weeks then pct with nolvadex

Person 2)
Test cyp
Anavar
Arrimadex
For 10 weeks then pct with HCG and Nova

Thoughts and input is greatly appreciated as I'm definitely a newbie here and have seen that HCG shouldn't be used pct (though I'm unclear why that is)

If you disagree with either of these I'm open to suggestions however know I'm not looking for a hardcore cycle I'm an office professional who likes being big and wants only to do a cycle with minimal risk and ease of pct. also of note I'm in Canada and the pre work blood testing etc seems to be hard to come by so I'll be doing this blind likely.

 

[Gainjin260]

Welcome to the boards. You've got a great base, you'll be beast when you cycle.

You've spent time on the boards, but you've still not got the basics. You'll need to read the stickies. Then you'd know that hcg is for during cycle and both Nolvadex and Clomid are required for pct.

There's hardly any difference between the two test esters you have listed. Both are long, meaning they'll take upwards of 4-5 weeks to kick in. Therefore I would suggest 10 weeks is too short to run them. 12-14 is better.

Even though you cycled before I'd run this as a true first cycle, meaning test only- so leave out the anavar for now (95% of stuff sold as var isn't; usually dbol or winny or whatever). The ai's you've listed would both work.

Hcg will keep your testicles functioning while on cycle leading to an easier recovery.
Read up!

 

[halfwit]

I can't add much more than the above, but I do want to mention that a pre-cycle blood test would be a great idea too. I don't remember if that's in the FAQ or not, but as it's been awhile - you should get an idea where you're at naturally.

My .02c

 

[Blkwidow_ss]

Thank you very very much for the input and feedback I'll continue to read up.

I had read and this is likely very dated that anything beyond 10 weeks comes with very high risks of post cycle recovery any truth in that or is that an old tale (that was what the pro that helped with the 6 week had told me as well).

Cheers!

 

[Blkwidow_ss]

Thanks I am trying to see what options are available here in Alberta but seems most places are only by doc request and I'm sceptical of it being on my med history as I've read the FAQs and don want to risk the long term health insurance etc implications.

 

[Teutonic]

Very smart indeed..CANNNOT risk health insurance and I DO salute ur cautionary approach..I m Mr. Low Dose but I m old as dirt. Both cycle s are rather short .HOWEVER w recovery being YOUR ultimate goal as it should every member under 40 unless they are low T , I again think it s so refreshing to see some

Admit they are new and novices
Choose long term health over "Getting f n jacked for the beach"

You ll do really well.

Glad to have you, Sir.

 

[halfwit]

Thank you very very much for the input and feedback I'll continue to read up.

I had read and this is likely very dated that anything beyond 10 weeks comes with very high risks of post cycle recovery any truth in that or is that an old tale (that was what the pro that helped with the 6 week had told me as well).

Cheers!

Length of time on is an increase in risk for permanent shut down, however there isn't a magic number that gives you a certain percentage increase. Unfortunately, the risks are present on your first cycle, or your fiftieth. It's just a matter of how much your pituitary hates being put to sleep.

I agree with TooTuff; you've been doing your homework which is awesome! I would get a pre-cycle lab through your doc, and just say something along the lines of how you had read that some things you had been feeling may be attributed to hormones. I don't know the Canadian system super well, but there's also making a road trip south to the US for a private test.

 

[Blkwidow_ss]

Very smart indeed..CANNNOT risk health insurance and I DO salute ur cautionary approach..I m Mr. Low Dose but I m old as dirt. Both cycle s are rather short .HOWEVER w recovery being YOUR ultimate goal as it should every member under 40 unless they are low T , I again think it s so refreshing to see some

Admit they are new and novices
Choose long term health over "Getting f n jacked for the beach"

You ll do really well.

Glad to have you, Sir.

Thanks so much for your input as well; I've been around the industry long enough to see the effects and such and I'm well aware I'm doing it partially for vanity but more so cause I'm hitting the wall in my own growth ( or that's how it feels physically ) plus I have bad shoulders and I'm hoping that a cycle will help with increased muscle mass in my delts which will help with my stability issues ( as a teen during puberty my shoulder sockets grew bigger and quicker than my humerus and as a result the rotator cuff muscles are lax and through many consults with doc and specialists even surgery likely wouldn't help so the only solution the professional sport med docs had was do more shoulder work to ensure the muscles double the work of stabilizing the socket)

Photo attached for reference you can see I have no issues packing and hitting legs hard but due to the shoulders the upper body is lagging behind - also of note this is a couple months old and probably about 250 lbs and 17% BF

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Anyway point being I'm not one to care about being jacked for the beach I want to better my physiology and am tired of spending 500$ for a gain cycle of supplements ie animal test, universal GH max, animal pump etc.

 

[Blkwidow_ss]

Length of time on is an increase in risk for permanent shut down, however there isn't a magic number that gives you a certain percentage increase. Unfortunately, the risks are present on your first cycle, or your fiftieth. It's just a matter of how much your pituitary hates being put to sleep.

I agree with TooTuff; you've been doing your homework which is awesome! I would get a pre-cycle lab through your doc, and just say something along the lines of how you had read that some things you had been feeling may be attributed to hormones. I don't know the Canadian system super well, but there's also making a road trip south to the US for a private test.

Thanks that's great advice I'll ask the doc just for a T count and such as I'm worried about something and see what comes back and thanks I wasn't aware length of cycle made little difference.

I followed up with my source and he said he would suggest I take the following so again looking for thoughts on amounts:

1 ml test cyp. Monday and Friday
3 anavars everyday and 1 arrimadex everyother day

He still swears that I should only use HCG pct which really makes me wonder how knowledgeable he is but what I'm thinking I'd do is get the HCG and use it during the cycle instead of pct as he keeps saying. He also swears that it's pointless to take nolvadex and clomid together - any input on that?

Thanks again everyone ^_^

 

[Teutonic]

I m a 1 eyed slacker w 3 melted finger at the present time

There are those who use hcg after a cycle s over...I don t really know why as keeping lh fh follicles alive and functioning are part of a good HPTA recovery but hcg does raise estro though minimally I m o. At the end is like mowing your yard at the end of an 8 wk period but in reverse. It still get s mowed and looks great but is easier if you do it 2 a week or every 5 day s if you live in the swamp s like me . AND it s easier on the equipment...my mowers..ur balls.

I run hcg like 2 a year..1 - 5000 iu bottle at 4-600 a week till gone but again I m old and weary of pinning and erected a memorial to my nut s years..gone but not forgotten. Other than tea bagging a willing female they are mainly in the way.

I m technically challenged--how did u post a pic in a thread ???? Been here x ??? years and still ain t tried...lol.

Shoulders are very complicated...I m o ..e z to grow but even easier to injure so do not go apeship on AAS start doing 5x5 s or heavy triples and hurt them. Ur not old but ur not 17 either.

Ur gonna do great...!!!!!!~

T

 

[Blkwidow_ss]

Thanks TooTuff - yeah I've found they tend to respond best when I follow a modified German Volume Training routine and only do 2 set finishers on chest and back days.

As to the pic in a reply in the comment box there is an icon 3rd from the right that allows for pic uploads

Cheers

 

[Teutonic]

Did u say GERMAN ? Feel free to run amok...lol

Thanks...I m not really that well read and refuse to be in front of a screen fumble --ck--g around unless it involves..never mind.

 

[halfwit]

Thanks that's great advice I'll ask the doc just for a T count and such as I'm worried about something and see what comes back and thanks I wasn't aware length of cycle made little difference.

I followed up with my source and he said he would suggest I take the following so again looking for thoughts on amounts:

1 ml test cyp. Monday and Friday
3 anavars everyday and 1 arrimadex everyother day

He still swears that I should only use HCG pct which really makes me wonder how knowledgeable he is but what I'm thinking I'd do is get the HCG and use it during the cycle instead of pct as he keeps saying. He also swears that it's pointless to take nolvadex and clomid together - any input on that?

Thanks again everyone ^_^

Or he's just a little outdated on how PCT is run now.

I really want to say that you've restored my faith in humanity again lol. You take critique well, listen to advice, are polite, and are helpful when asked.

Please feel free to stick around man, we need more reasonable guys that aren't trying to prove how alpha they are over the Internet.

 

[Teutonic]

Dumbfuck

...can t find it OP and the moment for learning this crap s PAST lol.

Yeah OP..I m weary of PIP , 2k mg or 3 compound 26 WK cycles posted by some kid from his maw maw s basement who ll ulitimately bitch about under dosed gear, limp dick bitch tit s and or depression as g ma won t fund p c t.

SLACKERS.

 

[Blkwidow_ss]

Thanks guys much appreciated for the input - ultimately decided to do another year natty and see how far I get then I'll reassess the plunge but would like to try a comp next year as a natty just to see since its been many years then if I feel the need do it for the shoulder issues described above.

Thank you again for all your fantastic feedback and input though it's great to see they people are willing to share input without harsh judgement etc. So from the bottom of my heart thanks