New here... and on TRT...

The NIH study seems to indicate no appreciable difference between sub and im injections on test levels. But if someone could point me to a study that shows any impact on estrogen levels, I'd appreciate it.

Now that I could have sworn I read somewhere. Something about the absorption rate of Sub injections is slower than intra injections and results in less E2 spike. I could be wrong but thought I read that somewhere.
 
Yes, for only the levels you need the same doses, but because the fast up and down, you need IM more testo to reach good levels over the whole time and will have heavy spike with fast lowering levels after it. With SC is no heavy spike and you will stay on very good levels over long time.
IM the most stuff will puff out senseless in the spike and bring your levels up to 1600 and then falling down fast to the bottom. What I've read, anybody here knows that and also me.
SC levels with 120mg per week should level bring to stable 1000 -> 800 over the week and this is perfect for the most normal males on TRT (not Cycling!).

I've made my little E2/P Test and waiting curious about the rersults.
I think the conversion rate to E2 is higher then IM, but with more aromasin also that isn't a rael problem.
But also could be a problem of myself because my rounder belly... :D
 
Here my labs:
(E2) Östradiol 3,9 pg/ml Östradiol (männlich): 0,4 - 2,5 pg/ml
Progesteron 551,2 pg/ml Progesteron (männlich) < 60 pg/ml

Uh, this seems really high. No wonder that my nipples are hurting any time! :(
12mg aromasin seems to be too low but 25mg is too much I think (it feels really not good after two days, headache ...).
 
My last injection at last friday was 0,8ml (round 200mg) was definitive too much. After 3 days I was like a steam ram on road and thats not good. I like more the calmness and the positive health effects on normal levels. But so now I know, I need really max. the half amount of IM injections. :)
 
No, I think Aromasin 12mg ed is to low and 25mg ed is too much (instantly headache) and to cut the little pills in more then two pices is difficult. The meeting with my doc (for better testing) was cancelled and a new one is set to 3. Feb..
*waiting*
 
Ok, now, after long time OFF I'm back on subcutane injections.
I'm using 100mg/week again and it's working perfect again. :)

I was test omnadren with this method. Forget it!!! It will make a big bump under the skin and is very very slow absorbed... I still can feel that bump. :(
With enanthate I never has had this problem. No bump and very stable natural levels on it.
I have ordered enanthate now from other manufacturer and will see if it has the same good digestibility.

Here my labs after long period OFF (also post in my other thread):
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Now, after two injections I feel great again. :D
All bad health issues are fixed... wow! :)
 
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JoJo25jj, I have read your other threads. Keep it simple. Trying to throw too many things together and overthinking it will make it harder to get Dialed in. I think it's maybe you realize this now. If you want to add something (like deca), is not a bad idea but Having your TRT dose in order and dialed in is the first step in proper treatment.
 
Yes, I have to wait 2 months to the termin with my endocrinologist and then hoping my insurance will cover it all. :)
I will do now the route what was very good helping me any months in the past (100mg/week subcutane enanthate + exemestane if I feel I need it).
This route was perfect on me.
Anytime, if I don't like my high libido I will give Deca a try again, but not now. ;)
At the moment I feel very good again with this dosage and all is perfect. Also the too high libido is down pressed on TRT, could be it comes from my very high progesterone levels while I'm on TRT (test last year 400+ ... what shlould be also very healthy).
 
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