New to Test but not lifting need some solid advice

Boston Jeff

Boston Jeff

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What's up guys, a little back round on me. Lets see I'm 30 yrs old, 6' ft, 238 lbs, avg 13-18% BF. I've been lifting sense I was 18, I've tried every damn supplement known to man (LOL) but I've never touched a oral or test. I have done (years) of research looking into taking a test but I HATE NEEDLES. Put it this way, I get weak just thinking about injecting. Ya Ya Ya I need to man up... But honestly I can't see myself ever injecting period.

So here is my question. Does anyone else have this fear of needles if so please tell me how you hold up to injections.

Now I know oral only cycles are very frowned upon do to how bad they can be for your body, (test production stopping also the strain on your liver and your body rejecting it frequent cases, etc.)

But I'm really contemplating try a Oral Cycle.
Weeks 1-6 Anvar w/ Winstrol 50 (mg/day)
Weeks 7-10 Anvar 50 (mg/day)
Weeks 11 Clomid 100 (mg/day)
Weeks 12-14 Clomid 50 (mg/day)

Of coarse Liver support the entire time, and my diet is spot on.

Please give me you input and if you need more info just ask I'll be happy to tell you
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That is a very, very mild cycle. You will not see very good results with those compounds at that dosage. Anavar is a good drug IF you're using legitimate Anavar and (IMO) you're on a calorie deficit and preserving muscle. Winstrol will dry out your joints so if you suffer from any joint pain at the moment it will only exacerbate the problem. Sorry to say mate, but that cycle is terrible and for the gains (try lack thereof) that you'll see, not worth it. Man up and run a testosterone only cycle. You'll thank me. If you can't inject yourself, get a friend or the mrs to do it for you. You won't even feel it if you use a 25 gauge and at 2ml a week of a long estered testosterone (approximately 500mg per week) you'll get hardly any post injection pain.
 
Rastas,

I knew that was a mild cycle and I'd get some feed back like yours, (not negative good feed back). I had put some thought into running Cypionate w/ Deca like this

Week 1-3 Test-C 500mg per week
Week 4-10 Test-C 500mg per week w/ Deca 200mg per week
Week 10-12 Deca 200mg per week
Week13-16 Clomid not sure on the amount yet

I would hate to wasted my money and after buying all the gear to run the cycle. And find out I'm to much of a pussy to take the injections
 
Injecting the first time around is intimidating, but it's really not bad at all. I didn't even feel it my first go and I didn't even replace my needle after drawing (they can get dull).
 
Boston Jeff said:
Rastas,

I knew that was a mild cycle and I'd get some feed back like yours, (not negative good feed back). I had put some thought into running Cypionate w/ Deca like this

Week 1-3 Test-C 500mg per week
Week 4-10 Test-C 500mg per week w/ Deca 200mg per week
Week 10-12 Deca 200mg per week
Week13-16 Clomid not sure on the amount yet

I would hate to wasted my money and after buying all the gear to run the cycle. And find out I'm to much of a pussy to take the injections
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Sorry about double post, but what you have above is much better than what was initially stated. However, increase the test and deca to at least 14-16 weeks. Anything less than that using longer esters isn't enough time to take full advantage of the cycle. You need to add an A.I. for sure, too. PCT is best run with Clomid AND nolva, and it's recommended hCG is run throughout your cycle to maintain at least partial feedback.

EDIT: Also, wait 2-3 weeks after last injection before starting PCT. The ester will still be active otherwise.
 
Now don't get me wrong I'm a veteran in the gym, I train like beast I take all the right sups to support my muscles and recovery and I have a solid diet (meaning I have my months where I'm eating 3,300 cal and other where I'm eating 6,400 cal with the proper carb/protein/fat % for what I find works best for me. I'm 30 now kind of sticking with gains and figure it's time to step it up to a little higher level to keep these younger 20 year old kids eeeewwing and awwwwing LOL. I work extremely hard so no I don't need a cycle I want to try it out and see if it's my thing
 
Ok, I need a little help with the HCG.
You're saying I should wait maybe 3 weeks after my last injection to start with the HCG and (at what dosage)? I will also be taking the Clomid at the same time as the HCG? and you recommended nolva with the clomid?

I'm sorry with the roockie questions man, I still have plenty of time to get all this together no rush on my end. I also hope some more people post to give me feed back on all this
 
Rastas,

I knew that was a mild cycle and I'd get some feed back like yours, (not negative good feed back). I had put some thought into running Cypionate w/ Deca like this

Week 1-3 Test-C 500mg per week
Week 4-10 Test-C 500mg per week w/ Deca 200mg per week
Week 10-12 Deca 200mg per week
Week13-16 Clomid not sure on the amount yet

I would hate to wasted my money and after buying all the gear to run the cycle. And find out I'm to much of a pussy to take the injections
 
Bro, don't do deca on your first cycle. Just do test. Look at it this way-saw this analogy on another thread on this forum recently-say you get a plate of food with two or three things on it. you eat it. Now, you have food poisoning... how do you know which one caused it? If you run test and deca and get sides then how do you know which one needs to be corrected( as they require different drugs to treat). Run test only at 500-600 per week with a long ester like cyp or enan, and that way you only have to pin twice a week. If you get sides then an aromitase inhibitor will fix that, but you should take one throughout your cycle anyway. I prefer aromasin and 12.5ed should be fine for you. Deca is a 19 nor like tren. Those 19 nors are for more advanced users and require a dopamine agonist to treat the prolactin sides. I promise you that you will make great gains with just test as long as your diet and training are in check. Also, get hcg and run that@250 twice a week until ten days before starting pct. Pct should begin about 14-18 days after your last pin of test and you really should use clomid and nolva as they work synergistically to speed up recovery. You will thank me later. Good luck, brother. let me know if you need anything else. Oh and NEVER EVER EVER EVER run an oral only cycle
 
Boston Jeff said:
Ok, I need a little help with the HCG.
You're saying I should wait maybe 3 weeks after my last injection to start with the HCG and (at what dosage)? I will also be taking the Clomid at the same time as the HCG? and you recommended nolva with the clomid?

I'm sorry with the roockie questions man, I still have plenty of time to get all this together no rush on my end. I also hope some more people post to give me feed back on all this
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No, he is saying run hCG from Day 1 up until you begin PCT.

PCT would just be the Clomid and Nolva.
 
Oh and pct should look like this
100/50/50/50 clomid
40/40/20/20 nolva
Each of this represent the daily dose for each week,I.e.,clomid would be 100 per Dar for the first week, then 50a day for the next 3 week, and the same with the nolve doses.

** Make sure your bf is at 15% AT MAX before you cycle or else you will get a lot more negative sides, as the more fat you have the more aromitase enzymes you have which cause more e2 conversion. Good luck
 
I agree with Norse - don't run Deca your first cycle. Test only is the way to go.

I would start taking the AI in the beginning rather than waiting to get side effects.

There is something else that is very important. You didn't mention getting blood work. You need to get pre, mid and post cycle blood work. Pre for your baseline to help you know if you recover properly. Mid to see if things like estradiol are being managed correctly and your Test is working. Post to evaluate your recovery. If you gave other complications along the way you would want to get blood work at that time as well. You can use Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online and get the Hormone Panel for zfemales (for males too). Costs about $50 and you don't need a doc to order them.
 
Thank you guys for the advice about running Test only, great advice I never thought of running only test pin point any sides.
So again here is maybe what it could look like fill it in if needed please.

Week 1-10 Test-C 500 mg/once a week / HCG 250 mg/twice a week / Arimidex ?mg/day

Week 11-12 HCG 250 mg/twice a week stop 10 days prior to PCT / Arimidex ?mg/day

Week 13-16 100/50/50/50 clomid
40/40/20/20 nolva


About the blood work I wish I could have blood work done, unfortunately I'm in Afghanistan and don't have access to that.
I'm at 12% BF right now so I should be good to go for the cycle.

Oh Can I use a 25 gauge needle still with the Test-C?
 
Boston Jeff said:
Thank you guys for the advice about running Test only, great advice I never thought of running only test pin point any sides.
So again here is maybe what it could look like fill it in if needed please.

Week 1-10 Test-C 500 mg/once a week / HCG 250 mg/twice a week / Arimidex ?mg/day

Week 11-12 HCG 250 mg/twice a week stop 10 days prior to PCT / Arimidex ?mg/day

Week 13-16 100/50/50/50 clomid
40/40/20/20 nolva


About the blood work I wish I could have blood work done, unfortunately I'm in Afghanistan and don't have access to that.
I'm at 12% BF right now so I should be good to go for the cycle.

Oh Can I use a 25 gauge needle still with the Test-C?
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If you don't have access to blood work, I would wait until you do before you cycle. Kind of like flying a plane without any instruments.
 
Boston Jeff said:
Thank you guys for the advice about running Test only, great advice I never thought of running only test pin point any sides.
So again here is maybe what it could look like fill it in if needed please.

Week 1-10 Test-C 500 mg/once a week / HCG 250 mg/twice a week / Arimidex ?mg/day

Week 11-12 HCG 250 mg/twice a week stop 10 days prior to PCT / Arimidex ?mg/day

Week 13-16 100/50/50/50 clomid
40/40/20/20 nolva


About the blood work I wish I could have blood work done, unfortunately I'm in Afghanistan and don't have access to that.
I'm at 12% BF right now so I should be good to go for the cycle.

Oh Can I use a 25 gauge needle still with the Test-C?
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Week 1-12: Test C 250mg 2 x p/w (buy 3 x 10ml vials - you won't get exactly 10ml out of each bottle)
Week 1-14: HCG 250iu 2 x p/w
Week 1-14: Aromasin 12.5mg-25mg ED (or Arimidex .5mg E2D - NOTE: IT IS VERY STRONG)
Week 15-16: Nolvadex 40mg ED
Week 15-18: Clomid 50mg ED
Week 17-18: Nolvadex 20mg ED

Everyone will tell you something different for PCT. Use both SERMs at around about that dose. Draw with a 18-21 gauge and administer with a 25 gauge.
 
Don't stress about pinning too much. I was like you my first go around. Scared to death of needles and had no idea how I was going to do it. I ended up pinning Test Prop EOD for 12 weeks. After finding out how easy it was I look forward to my pinning days like its a Christmas or something :blue:
 
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