Newbie using LGD4033 and Rad-140. Advice?

[TINML]

Hello all!

I'm a 28 year old male, Hispanic male, 5'6 and is currently at 178 pounds.

I went into this shop called Pura Nutrition and they sold me a month's supply both Ligandrol and Rad-140, telling me to take two of each for 30 days. Now after coming home with this stuff I hit google and see everything from cancer causing and affecting testosterone levels in the long run to being a waste of money to take both during the same cycle as they might cancel each other out.

My goal was to lose weight (I'm eating at a deficit) and to gain a little bit of muscle if possible but the main thing is getting rid of my belly.

So was I taken for a ride or is it a good combo and most importantly safe to take these?

I started taking them Monday evening and to date I've taken 6 of each.

The Ligandrol states 2 pills contain 25 mg and rad-140, 2 pills make up 30 mg.

 

[tx045]

You got ripped off

 

[TINML]

Umm., thanks?

Can you be specific?

Much appreciated!
T

 

[Milton]

I would go back to that store and talk to the person who recommended it to you and smash his face in. DONT ever forget that salesman will do whatever it takes to sell you their products and say whatever to do it. Those kids behind the counter dont know jack all about nutrition, they just want to get their minimum wage paycheck to go out and party with. If you want quality advice come here and visit our sponsors and ask away here to get advice from our senior members and mods with tons of experience who will not lead you astray.

 

[TINML]

I would go back to that store and talk to the person who recommended it to you and smash his face in. DONT ever forget that salesman will do whatever it takes to sell you their products and say whatever to do it. Those kids behind the counter dont know jack all about nutrition, they just want to get their minimum wage paycheck to go out and party with. If you want quality advice come here and visit our sponsors and ask away here to get advice from our senior members and mods with tons of experience who will not lead you astray.

Thank you. You're absolutely right, I should've done my homework. Do you recommend I stop taking these at once? Should I just use them since I paid for them already?

I don't want to become some huge guy or anything, just trying to lose weight.
I hit the gym 4-5 days a week, do weights 4 times a week, try to eat healthy, stopped drinking and take Aminocore along with my daily protein.

Thanks again for the reponse, it's truly appreciated!

 

[cybrsage]

LGD-4033 is very suppressive. Here are some snippets from a medical study backing it up:

The safety, pharmacokinetics, and effects of LGD-4033, a novel nonsteroidal oral, selective androgen receptor modulator, in healthy young men.

BACKGROUND:
Concerns about potential adverse effects of testosterone on prostate have motivated the development of selective androgen receptor modulators that display tissue-selective activation of androgenic signaling. LGD-4033, a novel nonsteroidal, oral selective androgen receptor modulator, binds androgen receptor with high affinity and selectivity. Objectives. To evaluate the safety, tolerability, pharmacokinetics, and effects of ascending doses of LGD-4033 administered daily for 21 days on lean body mass, muscle strength, stair-climbing power, and sex hormones.

METHODS:
In this placebo-controlled study, 76 healthy men (21-50 years) were randomized to placebo or 0.1, 0.3, or 1.0 mg LGD-4033 daily for 21 days. Blood counts, chemistries, lipids, prostate-specific antigen, electrocardiogram, hormones, lean and fat mass, and muscle strength were measured during and for 5 weeks after intervention.

RESULTS:
LGD-4033 was well tolerated. There were no drug-related serious adverse events...LGD-4033 administration was associated with dose-dependent suppression of total testosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin, high density lipoprotein cholesterol, and triglyceride levels. Follicle-stimulating hormone and free testosterone showed significant suppression at 1.0-mg dose only. Lean body mass increased dose dependently, but fat mass did not change significantly. Hormone levels and lipids returned to baseline after treatment discontinuation.

The safety, pharmacokinetics, and effects of LGD-4033, a novel nonsteroidal oral, selective androgen receptor modulator, in healthy young men. - PubMed - NCBI

Their highest dose was only 1mg and it had "significant suppression"...which means 25mg (which is the recommended dose for body builders) will have complete suppression. It will requite a good PCT.

The other issue is buying them in pill form. Pills and capsules imply human consumption and SARMs are illegal to sell for human consumption. I would worry about what is actually in the pills if they are selling them openly as if they are legal.

About RAD140:

Given the well-established relationship between oral androgen use and liver stress indicators, we were quite pleased that at a dose 10-fold greater than the fully effective dose we saw minimal liver enzyme elevations.31Taken in sum, RAD140 has all the hallmarks of a SARM. It is potency selective, since it stimulates muscle weight increases at a lower dose than that required to stimulate prostate weight increases. Moreover, it is also efficacy selective, because it is fully anabolic on muscle but demonstrates less than complete efficacy on the prostate and seminal vesicles and, in fact, can partially antagonize the stimulation of the seminal vesicles induced by testosterone. RAD140 has excellent pharmacokinetics and is a potent anabolic in nonhuman primates as well. We believe the overall preclinical profile of RAD140 is very good, and the compound has completed preclinical toxicology in both rats and monkeys. We are currently preparing RAD140 for phase I clinical studies in patients suffering from severe weight loss due to cancer cachexia.

Design, Synthesis, and Preclinical Characterization of the Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator (SARM) RAD140

and

RAD140

The investigational drug RAD140, a nonsteroidal selective androgen receptor modulator, or SARM, is currently in preclinical development as a potential treatment for breast cancer. The androgen receptor (AR) is highly expressed in many estrogen receptor (ER)-positive breast cancers.
***8226;Radius expects to commence a Phase 1 trial for the investigational drug RAD140 after making an Investigational New Drug (IND) submission in 2016.

Radius Health Has Submitted a Marketing Authorization Application for the Investigational Drug Abaloparatide-SC for the Treatment of Postmenopausal Osteoporosis in Europe (NASDAQ:RDUS)


You would be taking two very anabolic items at the same time - probably not needed, but I will bow to others in that realm.

 

[TINML]

Thank you! What a freaking bummer, $140 down the drain....I guess I can junk the Legandrol I don't need my testosterone to get messed up. I did have a great workout yesterday doing back and biceps, actually added 10lbs to what I normally do. Placebo effect?

 

[TINML]

And this is the so called company that manufacturers the **** I bought
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Legandrol
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Rad140
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[TINML]

Sorry about the links.

Is there anything you guys can recommend to help me reach my goal as outlined above?

 

[cybrsage]

I doubt it can hit the system that quickly, but I have been wrong about such things before. It was most likely the placebo effect...but do not poo-poo such a thing away. The placebo effect means you are getting something for free.

 

[TINML]

Ha! Cheers and thanks!

Anything you can recommend from a sponsored site to help
Me reach my goal??

Thanks in advance.

 

[cybrsage]

A lot of people love what is termed the Triple Stack of SARMS. S-4, MK-2866, and GW-50.

SARMs are legal to buy provided you understand they are not legal for human consumption. Even though a lot of people do safely consume SARMs, you need to be aware that it is not a legal use of them. When you buy them, you must agree that you will not consume them. This is why the reputable places will only offer SARMs in liquid form - pill and capsule form implies human consumption and is therefore not legal. If you are going to use them for research purposes only (such as on rats or primates), then you could go to SarmsSearch.com and buy them. Use FORUM30 as a code to get 30% off your purchases for being a member of this forum.

There is an advertisement on the side of the page to make it easy to get to them.

 

[TINML]

Hello to all!

So I finally saved up enough money to buy some legit LGD4033 from the sarnm store. I currently have man boobs (had them since High School) is it safe to take LGD-4033? Should I take some inhibitor to avoid them getting bigger? I only plan on doing a 4 week cycle, is that enough?

 

[Milton]

The best sponsors are right here all over these forums.

 

[TINML]

Right, I plan on buying from the site linked here but I was just asking for advice on whether this new cycle will be effective.

 

[TINML]

And if I should take something for the man boobs along with the LGD4033