Nolva Questions

[barbiestar]

Supergirl, you mentioned in my post about Anavar that I could use a "mild dose" of Nolvadex to come off of it.
What is Mild? 10mg/d? How long would I do it for?
What kind of side effects would a woman get while on it? I know my boyfriend gets pretty zitty from it.
Thanks,

 

[reese23]

BUMP

interesting in knowing this as well. I plan to run my cycle right through my competition, and was wondering about adding nolvadex 7-10 days out for to drop estrogen related water retention.
opinons?

 

[barbiestar]

Hey, glad to see another post on here!!, So based on some of the info that Supergirl had given on another thread in regards to post cycle therapy (pct). She had recommended a couple of different avenues. I haven't heard back about the nolvadex. and don't want to get zitty, so I have started to take tribulus with yohimbine. So far so good, but I still miss my Anavar! Apparently the combo of the 2 are similar to the Twinlabs Male Fuel". product she had mentioned. Ihave copied her post and put it here since it had some awsome info!!!!

Good Luck!! I plan to look into the nolvadex and will keep you posted on any info I get

This is something SuperGirl posted:

I feel post cycle therapy (pct) should be considered due to these reasons:

Depression: MANY women report depression post cycle. I personally got it really really badly last nov, so now the last week of my cycle, i start cycling in 5HTP. You can also use St. Johns wart or valerian root etc...

Estrogen Rebound: Granted anavar is a mild androgenic, it is still an androgen. Some women experience a slight estrogen rebound. I personally have ALSO experienced this...
One of the ways i counteract it is to take "Twinlabs Male Fuel". This actually aids allowing my test levels to lower but not drop, thus preventing an estrogen rebound. When a hormone drops suddenly another one always tends to increase to counteract, even though it may not be beneficial to us...
Another way is to use a very very mild dosage of an estrogen suppressor (ie. nolv) to allow the estrogen to slowly level out as the test levels fall post cycle.
Appetite: Anavar tends to increase your appetite. This has a bit to do with an accelerated metabolism, nevertheless, anavar can increase appetite. With that said, I think a strict diet should follow your cycle.
My reasoning for this is that fact that you have an increased appetite BUT have been using an aas, now that that is over, you will continue to experience an increased appetite, but with no Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) anymore, you will not be using all the calories/fuel as efficiently as when you were on. So if you splurge like crazy, you WILL notice a rebound in weight and or fat.
I HIGHLY recommend a clean diet for about 2 weeks POST cycle!!

Those are the 3 main factors i can think of that may cause havoc with a woman's mental and physical well being post cycle...

 

[barbiestar]

So here is the answer to my own post!! (sorta) In the last 3 weeks before competition you can use an anti estrogen like arimidex or nolvadex. I don't know much about either except that ror the last 3 weeks before the show you can use nolvadex 10mg/day, this should take care of your water retention.... however I would still like to hear if this stuff makes females get acne???
Hope to get some info...

 

[reese23]

Barbiestar, Its good to know another woman is the same situation.
My next comp is 3 weeks away, today. Im keeping my cycle throughout comp and considering the use of Nolva to drop estrogen related water retention & harden up.
Im trying to decide when to add the Nolva... I would have to run it until the end of July, since I have yet another comp 2 weeks later.

Im also reading of the rebound in woman from the nolva...it will block the receptors from receiving the estrogen, which will mean less water retention, when you come off of it there can be a rebound but not while on it. Also reading that nolvadex will offset some of the effectiveness of AAS...something Im not too hot about.

The plan from my studies would be to run 10-20mg ED and taper down to prevent rebound.. The "Twinlabs Male Fuel" sounds like something I would also try after the nolva is cut.

check out this write up-
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/dharkam/avoid-nolvadex.htm
from reading that now I wonder if Nolva is a good choice.... and if armidex would be a better choice.

another thing that crossed my mind in relation to cycle estrogen levels for woman on the birth control pill ... would the pill not keep endogenous E and P at pre-follicular levels (assuming a very low dose pill) throughout the cycle...what effects would the nolva have on that??? higher rebound post cycle?


anyone have more thoughts for barbiestar & I? much appreciated.

 

[reese23]

BUMP

 

[BADKITTY]

i keep seeing this thread and i wish i were more knowledgeable about anti-e's; supergirl has actually helped me in the past with my choices on this subject. sorry i can't be of more help; i just wanted ya'll to know i would offer advice if i could!
~KITTY

 

[reese23]

Thanks Bk Appreciate the concern to help

I PM'd Supergirl, hopefully someone with knowledge into this can offer some advice!

 

[dropset]

Hey there girls....well I did decide a couple of cycles ago that if a female wanted to aid in estrogen related fat areas what better way to do it then block the estrogen?? So I ran 20mg Nolva 2 times a day and 50mg arimidex EOD...WOW is all I can say did my estrogen fat get attacked excellent result...will do it again on next cycle..I always stack var with what ever else I am doing...To answer your ??? I tapper off both I reduce my nolva by 20 right off the top and the arimidex I go every 3rd day and then 4th and 5th so on for 2weeks.The nolva I tapper down to 20 for a couple of days then EOD E3D and so on .....I also take the male fuel for those 2weeks and a week after clean and ZMA supp... Super is absolutly right WE FEMALES MUST post cycle therapy (pct) our bodies are very delicate so be gental it is worth the extra dollars and time to not rebound...When I do this I do not rebound ..If I can answer any more questions let me know...I think one of you asked something else but I will need to reread as I do not remember....GOODLUCK hope this helps...remember we are all different so what works for me may not be the same for either of you...DROPSET

 

[barbiestar]

Thanks for the great post DROPSET.... I asked if the NOlva would make me all zitty??
did you experience any sides from running these ?? Thanks again!!! bstar

 

[dropset]

Thanks for the great post DROPSET.... I asked if the NOlva would make me all zitty??
did you experience any sides from running these ?? Thanks again!!! bstar

Hey bstar....I never experienced zitty on Nolva or arimid...sides if you consider this a side my butt sweat alot. I thought it was a goodthing also my menstation did tweak for a little while but I totally expected that..I have found that no matter what I happen to be doing this effect of my menstral cycle does get screwed up...however after I have come off and am only taking my supplements ie..vits,minerals,antiox ect....I will have a totally normal cycle with in 2weeks....Bstar if that bothers you then I ABSOLUTLY do not recommend doing anything at all....Not that we are all the same but the chance is ABSOLUTLY there as it is when we females get below a certian BF..There you have it if I can help unravel you brain let me know..you can pm me too...goodluck hoped this also helped

DROPSET

 

[reese23]

Dropset, great info.

I started the nolva 3 days ago. 20mg, ED, half in a.m the other half in p.m. plan after my final comp on July 29th is to taper down the dose gradually until I reach 1/4 of dose. Will then add twinlabs male fuel for 2 weeks.

Barbiestar- for acne if you are concenered about it, I reccomend B5 supplementation- 2000mg ED has worked better for me than ANYTHING.... from research it is better than accutane with no sides. no acne, no oily skin!

 

[supergirl]

hey barbie.. i answered your question on the other thread but i copied it here too for ya all:

sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you... i've been so busy with my website and training and i'm just exhausted!
anywho... the idea of Nolvadex is to control the estrogen rebound post cycle, basically allowing your estrogen to come back up to normal levels gradually.

the dosage would depend on the length and type of cycle you are coming off... the more androgenic the higher the starting dosage...
Unfortunetly there is no "norm" for this so i really can't be exact in telling you where to start... if you don't have side effects from suppressed estrogen, you may not need to use Nolvadex at all... maybe an otc ie:malefuel would do the trick... but if you think you are heading for a rebound, then perhaps you start with 10mgs for the first 4 days and then lower it to 5mgs for the next 6 days and then finish the taper with 2.5mgs for the last 4 days (i tend to stick with the 14day rule)

Hope that helps ya a bit... we're kinda in uncharted territories here lol... not many to no studies on post cycle therapy for women, so all we have to go on is personal use and sharing of information...

good luck!!


Other questions...

Reese: taking nolv or arim while on the pill can interact with your pill... research has shown that nolv can increase fertility, so a backup birth control method should be used. i honestly don't know what would happen with your endogenous estrogen if you add both an anti-estrogen and your bc... i have to do research when i get a chance...

Barbiestar: Nolv and zits... when you block estrogen, your test runs the show a bit more lol... meaning believe it or not, estrogen is great for your skin, test is not... so zits can and may come with lower estrogen levels... there are ways to combat it... otc acne medications, LOTS of water, cardio and sweating and or not taking nolv..

good luck ladies!!! This is a really great thread!!! So glad to have everyone participating and sharing knowledge!!!

luv supes

 

[reese23]

SG, thanks for the great info! very informative.
I did quit the birth control pill prior to starting the nolva. I wasnt aware that it increase fertility, we have been using backup birth control methods(i.e good ol condoms).

Great thread!

 

[barbiestar]

Hey SG, wow!! you definetley are an encyclopedia of knowledge, and rest assured it is very much apprieciated!! I have been using the yohimbine with the tribulus and now cylcling in the clen, so far no rebounds, and i must say i have been cheating a bit, ( I am a really clean eater, most of the time!!! ) so a cheat to me is a handful of nuts from the grocery store or a bit of extra chicken or a pita... nothing to horrible....
anyway I would love to check out your NEW site!!! was is the URL?? and where is the best place to opy in my current diet and workouts, with my cycles, so i can get some added advice? ??
thanks again..barbie

 

[reese23]

Hey SG, wow!! you definetley are an encyclopedia of knowledge, and rest assured it is very much apprieciated!! I have been using the yohimbine with the tribulus and now cylcling in the clen, so far no rebounds, and i must say i have been cheating a bit, ( I am a really clean eater, most of the time!!! ) so a cheat to me is a handful of nuts from the grocery store or a bit of extra chicken or a pita... nothing to horrible....
anyway I would love to check out your NEW site!!! was is the URL?? and where is the best place to opy in my current diet and workouts, with my cycles, so i can get some added advice? ??
thanks again..barbie

ah yes, link to your new site when done

 

[barbiestar]

How did your comps go??? any pics?? any advice on competing? I plan to do a comp in late NOV. (i know it's a weird time to compete) however I need to give my body and my knee a break had ACL reconstruction in NOV 05, and it has been sore throughout the hardcore training... hoping it will be ready to "take it" real soon.!!!
Advice on where to get suits, possibly good second hand ones??

 

[supergirl]

oh my my ladies... my site is a SHOPPING site lol... some of you may recall that i had opened a men's clothing store a few years back... well i have since sold it and went to the internet... i sell designer handbags, shoes, sunglasses, clothing etc... i am such a fucking label whore and buy wholesale so i make all my perks available to friends.... and everything is 110% guaranteed authentic...

fuck paying retail!!! retail sucks... all my items are about 34-50% off retail prices and that adds up big time...

I just got in a shipment of Dior sunglasses...

the site is up, but the merchandise is not up yet... as soon as i get it done, i will let ya all know!!!


competing: dude, my shoulder/trap is shot so my training is light and i HATE training light.. but i am dieting down so we'll see... have a few shows in mind for summer/fall.. i need to hit a national show this fall... so i'll keep you all posted...

barbie.. i posted my comp pics last year... i think they are still up somehere, if not ill post em in a few days for ya... suits: you want mine?? lol... one is too small and the other is too big lol... so i gotta get new ones anyway... the 1 piece is fucking hot... black velvet with cleavage sequence and the 2 piece is maroon crushed velvet with lots of sparkle sequence... otherwise, let me find the site where the girls post classified adds and swap suits etc... you may have to remind me in a few days though lol...
let me know what ya need girl and i'll do the best i can... just bear with me and my whackass schedule.. i'll get to ya though i promise

luv supes

 

[barbiestar]

Site sounds interesting!! I must say just from reading on here you and I have a lot in common, I have a touch of the label whore in me as well!! lol I just picked up a pair of Valentino sunniez and a dkny purse, but mostly if the clothes look "hot" well then I just buy 'em!!!
I am definetley interested in the suits. I am not one for extreme patience so when my trainer said she placed each ston on her suit "individually" I was like ouch! there must be an easier way!!
I am currently about 150 and 5"7" and between 14-17bf, (unsure at the moment) I carry quite a bit of muscle and I plan to be 130ish for the comp or less, depending on how I look!! I do need a one peice outfit, she suggested jagwear... but I yours sounds "hot" and for a first time show, I am happy to use a hand-me-down!!! With some good vibez to it!!

Maybe we should discuss this off the forum... let me know!! I would love to see some pics!! I searched and couldn't find any of you pics, if you feel like re-posting I will keep my eyes open.
Thanks a bunch...
barbie

 

[reese23]

Ohh! neat! if you do wear Super's suits, be sure to post pics of them!